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Old 09-28-2019, 09:26:23 AM
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So I got my new c120 Wheelhorse to run but not good with a new china carb.Went to rebuild the old Carter carb and bought a kit then noticed the throttle butterfly missing (broken screws?) In shaft. Forgot key switch was left on so 15 minutes later the coil bursts.

Any hope here or should I take to the dump? So darn aggravated. Seems like one problem after another.
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Old 09-28-2019, 09:46:51 AM
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Default Re: Bout ready to give up.

It really depends on your skill set. personally i really dont see a huge problem, you left the key on and trashed the coil along with the points. $hit happens learn from it and move onto fixing it! what engine ? kohler K series? bullet proof engine if taken care of!
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Old 09-28-2019, 10:11:25 AM
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Default Re: Bout ready to give up.

If I gave up on every simple project because of something that simple I would have given up 35 years ago. Pull the cylinder head and get the throttle screws out of there,buy a coil,and take that china carb apart and make sure the jets are clear.Those typicaly work well and to have 1 not working without some minor adjustment is odd.
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Old 09-28-2019, 10:16:43 AM
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blue they are broken, the screws that is. the ones i have ran across the backside of the screw is bradded to keep them from backing out and ending up just where you said IN THE CYLINDER. by these being broken I would say someone has tried backing them out unkowingly that they are bradded and wrung them off.
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Old 09-28-2019, 10:31:54 AM
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It had a fairly new china carb installed when I got it. Had sat with old gas in it so i just replaced it for 14 bucks. The seller gave me the old carb he had taken off. I had been advised those china carbs were junk and not use them so i ordered a rebuild kit for the carter. Didn't know the butterfly was missing.

I think the idiot i got it from probably tried to take the carb apart before replacing it.

It runs pretty good BUT starves for fuel. Will only stay running if you keep choking it with your hand over the carb.No amount of adjusting works. I seriously doubt the carb parts are in the cylinder. Was also told by an internet wheelhorse guy not to buy a 12.00 Ebay coil but to purchase a higher priced 30.00 coil. I keep getting conflicting info when working on this this.

China carbs are good. No there junk
Cheap coils wont work. Yes they will.

Soooo confusing and i cant keep dumping wasted money in it. Seems to be " a dollar chasing a dime".
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I will ask again, what engine? cant be of much help if i dont know what you have now can i?
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I will ask again, what engine? cant be of much help if i dont know what you have now can i?
It's a K301 Kohler.
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It's a K301 Kohler.
I can clearly see the brass screws are broken. Somebody wrung them off.
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now we are getting somewhere, 12 hp right. round type coil. if its the round coil a automotive coil will be the standard replacement 69 chevy pickup coil. the points are most certainly shot if the coil got hot and started leaking the oil out might as well get a condensor too, they are replaced as a pair. looking at the pto end or shaft end of the motor the points will be to the right around the corner of the block under a rectangluar cover. this needs to be addressed first! then we will move on to your fuel problem. a brand new engine will run like crap until the ignition system is corrected. figure out how to post a picture, i need to see how your fuel system is set up. it can be configured differently depending on how wheel horse speced it out.
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one other thing you should check, I have had this happen to two different kohlers one was a 301 same as yours the other was a 321 yours big brother 14hp. there is one head stud with a lifting bracket attached to it, make sure it has not loosened up. Both of mine did it! if its loose you may get lucky and locktite the stud in the block and retorque the nut. I went ahead and pulled the head and replaced the gasket on mine, it was already blown. this may be your entire problem with what appears to be a fuel issue. its defenitly worth a look at!
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I will appreciate your help and do as you say. Yes the coil was spewing oil everywhere. I dont understand how to post pics here.

This may be a kinda slow process as I have to wait on payday to order our parts later this week.

So will a cheap ebay coil work for us? Its 12.00 vs 30.00 locally. I assume any points will work.

What's the little round thing wired to the coil and bolted to engine?
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hang on let me see if i can post where i have been getting parts, and no not just any old points will work. It may be a little while, I had two john deers with these engines in them mowing over 5 acres for ten plus years. I sold both last year because not of the engine but the john deers were worn out, engines were still going strong!
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hang on let me see if i can post where i have been getting parts, and no not just any old points will work. It may be a little while, I had two john deers with these engines in them mowing over 5 acres for ten plus years. I sold both last year because not of the engine but the john deers were worn out, engines were still going strong!
I see some Stens points on Ebay for 12 bucks. Stens stuff is usually pretty good.
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find the ebay item number on the items you are looking at or post a link. christ they are out of their mind on a coil! 90+$ I know damn well we can do better than that! maybe some of the kohler guys will chime in but from what i am reading you need a internall resistor coil, or a ballast resistor (does the same thing only externally)
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fleabay is being a PITA! google this # 302449081280. should take you to ebay for your points and condensor.

What's the little round thing wired to the coil and bolted to engine?
see if thats it in the ebay listing, if so thats the condensor. round can with one wire going to coil?
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try here for the coil, this was the best i could come up with. dsmn i have been sitting on a gold mine at these prices! ebay #

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try here for the coil, this was the best i could come up with. dsmn i have been sitting on a gold mine at these prices! ebay #

272717247663
Look at these. Coil 252991449273. Points 311364388926
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sorry i am not computer savy enough to give you a direct link.
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looks like the same stuff to me.
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looks like the same stuff to me.

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