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Old 11-05-2013, 08:31:27 PM
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Default UK Traction Engines located in N.America

I've never read about traction engines from the UK being sold in North America to any great extent, but I imagine collectors have bought them occasionally. I know one Marshal and one Wallis and Stevens are here, but how many Aveling and Porters, Fodens, Burrels, Rustons, Fowlers, etc are here in N.America and where can we go to see them? I think there must be some British steam enthusiast that is keeping track of them.....
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Old 11-06-2013, 04:55:09 AM
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There is a working day photo of an Aveling and Porter roller working in Boston MA on smoke stack, I think Beth posted it.
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Not traction engines, but the superb BC Forestry Discovery Centre on Vancouver Island has a Ruston steam roller and a 1912 Mann steam lorry.

Lots of other interesting stuff there, too, including a working steam railway, various types of logging locomotives, steam donkeys, bulldozers, 1914 Waterloo traction engine, cranes, and all manner of logging apparatus.
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Old 11-06-2013, 01:59:32 PM
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Butch Biesecker described firing a Britsih engine at Rough and Tumble one year. Anyone know what it was?

I think the "showmans" engine at House On A Rock is a fake made from parts from multiple domestic engines.
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The house on the rock engine is tarted-up 110 Case. There is a pretty early Aveling-porter traction engine owned by Frank Burris, think it's something like 1873?

There is a Ruston at Wetaskiwin. Also a Fowler plowing engine in Hawaii, don't know if you'd call it North America or not, but it's in the states. A couple of other Fowlers left our shores in the last few years.

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Not traction engines, but the superb BC Forestry Discovery Centre on Vancouver Island has a Ruston steam roller and a 1912 Mann steam lorry.

Lots of other interesting stuff there, too, including a working steam railway, various types of logging locomotives, steam donkeys, bulldozers, 1914 Waterloo traction engine, cranes, and all manner of logging apparatus.
Not at that museum, but the last 2 largest production flying boats in the world are located on Sproat Lake on Vancouver Island...if you're an airplane guy. :-) Hawaii Mars and Philippine Mars, both used for firefighting.

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Mr. Heidrick, in Woodland CA, had a plough engine in the late '70's, and was looking for another one to make a pair. I saw it at his shop as he was driving me around the place in his Caddy. I =think= he had the plow already, but can't remember. I never heard whether he was able to find the 2nd engine or even got the 1st one restored.

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Not at that museum, but the last 2 largest production flying boats in the world are located on Sproat Lake on Vancouver Island...if you're an airplane guy. :-) Hawaii Mars and Philippine Mars, both used for firefighting.

Lyle

Mr. Heidrick, in Woodland CA, had a plough engine in the late '70's, and was looking for another one to make a pair. I saw it at his shop as he was driving me around the place in his Caddy. I =think= he had the plow already, but can't remember. I never heard whether he was able to find the 2nd engine or even got the 1st one restored.

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That's one of the ones that left recently. The other one was in Canada, and was sold to the fellow who owned the sister engine it was sold with new. Most times I am disheartened to hear of an engine being shipped overseas, that one I was tickled to death to hear it went back to its original plowing partner!
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That's one of the ones that left recently. The other one was in Canada, and was sold to the fellow who owned the sister engine it was sold with new. Most times I am disheartened to hear of an engine being shipped overseas, that one I was tickled to death to hear it went back to its original plowing partner!
I can't disagree with you, Mike, especially in a situation like that. Hell, they might have even been consecutive s/n's. :-) I know that whenever I check out Preston Services and see a U.S. engine for sale, I just wish I was Gates-rich so I could repatriate it.

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The Henry Ford Museum/Greenfield Village had a ploughing engine, I think. Again, I think, it was repatriated.

The remains of the Hornsby Mammoth reside in Western Canada.
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You had to mention that, didn't you? :P

The City of New Westminster BC still has their 1911 Ruston-Proctor roller, and there's an ex-City of Vancouver Wallis-Steevens Advance in BC as well, who's owner frequents these parts...
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The Henry Ford Museum/Greenfield Village had a ploughing engine, I think. Again, I think, it was repatriated.

The remains of the Hornsby Mammoth reside in Western Canada.
The HFM engine was an 1870's Howard plowing engine. And yes, it went back home. It is one of two left from that builder. An interesting story I read about that engine; in the 1930's Henry Ford tried to buy another Howard engine, and missed it by a week or so. At the time the Howard Company was still in business, and bought the other engine to keep it from going overseas. Howard fell on hard times, and got bought out by another company-who promptly scrapped the old Howard engine! Henry found the 2nd Howard, and overseas it went into his collection.

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Hi Colin
Unfortunatly the City of New West was taken away from me by an individual from Surrey and his band of followers, it now resides at the public works yard in New Westminster covered in bird crap a dirt with the City of New Westminster threatening to have it cut up for scrap,it's been there ever since it left Chilliwack when I left the ATA over it. No effort has ever been put into getting it up and running again after more than 3 years.I turned over my files and e-mail to Derek & Dorothy Rayner from the Road Roller Association and they were going to follow up with some letters to the New Westminster council. As for me I'm concetrating on my Wallis & Steevens restoration which I hope to have mostly completed by next year. Politics such as this really takes all the fun out of running/restoring steam engines but such is life.

The remains of the Hornsby Mammoth reside in Western Canada.[/QUOTE]

Hi Beth

The Hornsby chain track was finally returned to it's rightful owners.

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so there are less than 5 UK traction engines in N.America. Should I post this topic on Traction Talk or do we think that's about it?
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The price difference makes moving UK engines to US prohibitive.
A reasonable traction in UK would be around 150 000 dollars plus. Then transport on top. Even a roller would be 60 000 USD plus.
If I really wanted a full size engine I would look in US.
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Does it really matter where in the world and engine is?
As long as it is being restored and its survival is assured.
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Does it really matter where in the world and engine is?
As long as it is being restored and its survival is assured.
I was just hoping there were some UK engines local that I could go and see operate. That's all.
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There was a Marshall engine at Forest City a couple of years ago. I think that they drove it to the show.
http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showth...ht=forest+city
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I was just hoping there were some UK engines local that I could go and see operate. That's all.
One choice is to visit Minnesota to see the Skelton brothers engine. Here's the link to the thread of their 30 mile journey to Forrest City.

http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showth...t=forrest+city

If MN is too far, just book tickets to England and check out their rallies!
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There is a Wallis & Stevens Simplicity roller over there somewhere. Its lost its rolls and gained some modern blow up wheels.

I've seen a pic of it on here before so its still about.
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If anyone is coming over here let me know and I will see what we can do.
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