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Old 06-24-2010, 01:49:06 PM
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Question 4 1/2hp United pictures

Here is my 4 1/2 hp United. I would like to know the proper color it should be painted, age, and how rare these are.Click image for larger version

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Default Re: 4 1/2hp United pictures

Nice engines, not particularly rare. I have more than 20 in the registry. Color is a dark red same as Associated. Post the serial number which is on the tag and on the left end of the crank, but the straight trip indicates it is pre 1916 or early 1917, and later than mid 1913 when United stopped sourcing from Waterloo Boy and began the Associated connection. There are no dating charts, but the serial number might narrow it down a bit further.

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The serial number is #401408, the type is not stamped on the tag. Thanks Dick.
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I assume but have no information that the 4 1/2 series started in mid 1913 with the rest of the United connection with Associated. The first number I have recorded for gooseneck trip (generally thought to be late 1916) is 402101. Numbers appear to have started at 400000 for the 4 1/2 series. Your engine is about in the middle. I suppose that it was built in 1915 give or take a few months. Understand that this is an "educated" guess. I note that it has a J type mixer which is usually a later feature, so I'm guessing (again) that the mixer was changed along the way.

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Regarding the J mixer. Found another engine, s/n close to yours, same mixer. May be correct. Disregard previous post.

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Very interesting information, Thanks again Dick...
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Why would you want to paint that!,,JK,,,Looks like it was on a Christmas Display,,its a nice engine though,,I use to have one like it,,,Jim

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Default Re: 4 1/2hp United pictures

Exactly, I don't know what someone was thinking to paint the flywheels gold. Engine is in very good shape though...
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