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IHC Famous? Hp? Year?


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Don't mess around "wheeling and dealing," just BUY IT!!! $300 is stupid low. Jump on the deal. Plus anyone on here that may know about that engine is now running over there right now willing to pay 2-3 times or more that amount.
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Heís going to pay him this afternoon and arrange to pick it up for me. p
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Looks like sheís mine, just talked to my friend. He fishes with the owner and said he would hold it for me. Just arranging payment and pick up now. Iíll be sure to tell them not to lift by the flywheels!

Iím interested to see what shape sheís in crack/break wise. That vertical exhaust has surely filled her with water and froze many times over the years. Iím fairly well equipped at my shop with machining capabilities but Iím sure Iíll have many questions once I get my hands on her!

Any information on the famous models would be great. Iíve been around power shows/old tractors since I was a kid but bought my first stationary engine maybe two years ago so Iím playing catch up on the finer points of different models!
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Hi AngrySailor,

If the inner tube in the muffler is intact the water may not have run into it? Let’s hope.

The Tag is missing by the looks ? You will find the serial number stamped on both the head and cylinder in front of the hopper.

Keep us posted, cheers Justin
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mine is a victor model the tag is on the opposite side I call that the dummy side no working parts on that side maybe it is on that side
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What magneto did these use?
They used a Webster tri polar low tension magneto and base as an option on almost all the IHC line which would be period for your 4HP, but yours still has its original low tension igniter which when new was fired by dry cell battery's and used a low tension "Thordason" coil. I have a 4 HP Victor which runs fine on the same system yours has so I wouldn't be scared of just resurrecting the original system as fitted !

The others are right, the numbers to identifie year are stamped into the head and block on the top mating surface visible looking straight down. As for age, with hit and miss governing early style main lubrication, later type decompressor, battery igniter firing and raised lettering on the hopper I recon it will date from about 1911 or 12 but it could be a couple of years either side.

A good buy at two or even three times what you paid for it and a really top project that shouldn't be too difficult to complete !

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Interesting... How were the original batteries kept charged? Early 1900ís not everyone had electricity or a battery charger I have a 1917 Fairbanks Z igniter engine which is missing itís original mag but runs nicely on a battery and low tension coil so I am familiar with this set up.

I sure hope the tag is on the other side! Would be nice to have. I will get the serial numbers if my friend can find them under the lawn ornament paint or Iím sure they will turn up when I get to start cleaning her up.

How is the liner built into these? Is it removable like the M, with o-rings? Or cast as part of the block? If the piston is real stuck I bet a pound of tannerite would push it out the back (Iíll have to find the video of someone blowing one to pieces with tnt trying to remove a piston)
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Interesting... How were the original batteries kept charged? Early 1900ís not everyone had electricity or a battery charger
The battery's were just dry cell disposable battery's similar and possibly the same as those used in telephones of the same era which when flat were simply replaced. When I got my Victor there was a pile of discarded and decomposing battery's about 18 inches high right next to the engine where the owner had just chucked them when they were flat. There was an option on the tank cooled models that allowed the fitting of a hot tube ignition on a boss on top of the cylinder at the factory during assembly so that if an engine went to a remote area, say Alaska, Texas, Arizona, or maybe Australia there was a backup ignition if battery's were unprocurable because of distance but very few buyers took advantage and it was discontinued about 1910 by which time the very expensive magneto options had dropped in cost to something affordable and were becoming mainstream. The hopper cooled version like yours never had the option because the hopper is where the hot tube needed to be.

Sorry, I haven't ever had either of my cylinders apart but I suspect they are a solid casting that doesn't have a removable liner, but hopefully someone with more knowledge than I can give you a definite answer.

Goodluck with it,
Graham in OZ
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sailor to the best of my knowledge the cylinders are cast right into the hopper as one unit . they are not removable like the m model . as far as keeping the battery's charged they did have what they called a spark saver witch mounted on the side of the cylinder block to help prolong the life of the battery's if you could afford it they also had the option for a auto sparker generator set up which ran off the fly wheels . I have a picture of a spark saver but must find it . I will post it later
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Hi All,

From my experience I’ve never seen a vertical or horizontal famous ( titan/victor) with a removeable sleeve. I wish they were ........

A while ago I swapped a John deeee D radiator for a 4hp hit miss tank cooled top end . When I got home and soaked it in penetrine out slipped a new .020” oversized piston and rings. The bore is honed perfectly and has never been run. Somewhere there is a 4hp hit miss screen cooled missing from the rod to the rocker arm !!!! One of lifes mysteries I guess.

Did Victor engines have the standard muffler or a remote “Pot” ?? Or both ?

Thanks Justin
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