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BUDA-Looking for the Buda engine guru!


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Old 03-04-2013, 10:53:35 PM
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Default BUDA-Looking for the Buda engine guru!

I've got a headless model R Buda 4cyl engine, 3.5" x 5.125"
I'm looking for ANY parts, repair, sales manuals or literature.
Who are the specialists out there on this early 1916-1917 engine??
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Default Re: BUDA-Looking for the Buda engine guru !!

When you find one, please let us know...
The R does go aways back..a 1917 ring catalog lists it for 1915-17, along with the RU...a later catalog lists the RU as 1914-24, but these dates are unreliable...
Joe P, who posted a comment (#19) in the Massey Harris #2 Rescue & Restore thread here in this forum, advises the "U" meant the engine had a bell (flywheel) housing. I would guess he's knowledgable re' Budas; if he doesn't comment he can be reached thru the site (click on his name on any of his posts)...
Assuming the R was a power unit, the RU does show up in some truck listings, but not many compared to other Budas of the period...
You might search Buda here and try contacting other old Buda owners thru the site...
There's John Paulsen, Paulsen Marine and Diesel, Olympia, Wash johnpaulsen@comcast.net, who has a wealth of parts and information re' Buda...
There's Jim Couzins (phon) Buda Engine Co, Shreveport budaco@budaengine.com...
And, of course, the profe$$ional obsolete engine parts dealers...
Hmmmm...there was, apparently, also an RTU, reportedly dated 1929, in a 1929 Insley "C" shovel (Buda had a bunch of these (IU/ITU, GU/GTU...opinions have differed as to what the "T" means)...
Hmmm #2: that 1917 catalog says the R and RU both had a 2-ring piston, 1/4" rings--a 24 catalog shows the RU with 3 3/16 rings, and a 33 catalog shows the RU with four rings, one oil and three comp, all 3/16 rings... With sympathy, Bud
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Default Re: BUDA-Looking for the Buda engine guru !!

Well, fancy that!!
Looking for something else in a car section of a catalog (I don't usually get into cars, and Buda didn't seem to make much penetration of the car market, except for taxis), and what do I stumble across:
Apperson 1916-17 Jack Rabbit, 6-45...Buda WU and RU;
Jeffery 1915 #661...Buda RU.
I'm sure there's an Apperson club, and Jeffery is included in the Nash club. Assuming those catalog listings are correct, there should be some helpful people in those clubs.
Jeffery built a Quad that became the Nash Quad of WW1, using Budas, but not the R/RU/RTU.
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Default Re: BUDA-Looking for the Buda engine guru !!

Thanks for the info and feeling my pain. Here's what a piston looks like.
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Default Re: BUDA-Looking for the Buda engine guru !!

Per a 1932 King Products catalog (engine parts):
Piston ass'bly shared by RU and LSU 4cyl (no R listed )...
Valves shared by LSU, RU and WU (OE# shown: EE420); no R listed);
Bearings, rods/mains shared by LSU, R, RU, RV, RW, WU...
So far the WU seems the most popular (most listings; I have no production numbers), but there's an oddity:
There's a WTU (Buda has lots of these designation: HU/HTU, IU/ITU etc)...a 24 piston catalog shows the WU and WTU (both 33/4 bore) taking the same piston, but a 36 engine parts catalog shows them taking all different engine parts...will comment later
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Default Re: BUDA-Looking for the Buda engine guru !!

Bud: I was always told the Buda engine in the first Cletrac model R was a Buda and both the engine and the crawler were Model R.
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JOHN: Yes, you're right; I'd completely forgotten...one note says it was a 12-20 1916-18. I have one 1930 wrist pin catalog that also lists a Buda WU in the Cletrac list, but that line has no model or years, and the other Cletrac lists don't list it...
FG: (1) something's wrong with the Apperson listing; Std cat says the 6-45 is a 6cyl, but there were 4 cyl Jack Rabbits...
(2) WU appears by far the most popular engine; only a few LSU ( my catalogs primarily cover trucks with fair coverage of tractors, but are weak to nonexistent on everything else)..(3) my catalogs are confused on the LSU, showing it as sometimes 4cyl, sometimes 6cyl.
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Default Re: BUDA-Looking for the Buda engine guru !!

I think Allis Chalmers bought Budapest Engine after the GM-Euclid acquisition.

---------- Post added at 07:37 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:34 PM ----------

Sorry, computer corrected spelling turned Buda into Budapest.
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Damn you autocorrect!!!
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Default Re: BUDA-Looking for the Buda engine guru!

Allis was really wanting to get into the diesel market and after the disaster with their spark ignition diesels they were looking for a proven unit and the Buda firm at Harvey Il was for sale. Trouble was after they bought it they discovered that their best product was severely out dated. They continued to use Detroit engines til they got their line up to speed, there is still some question as to wether they ever did. the Buda designed both gas and diesel were used in the Gleaner combine line as soon as they used their stock of Ford and Hercules motors. The Ford L heads were ok but the Hercules L heads were terribly under powered and very costly to repair. The Buda units on the other hand were considerably better. One thing that still puzzles me is why they went back to using the GM gas motors on the gleaners in the late 60s and 70s? Those units were only barely adequate and of short life span. They then followed the lead of Harvester and others and went to a all diesel fleet in the combine line and those were up to the task. F.J.W.
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