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Pontiac Light Blue Engine Paint 59-65, Test Results From Three Different Brands


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Old 02-12-2018, 12:29:29 AM
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Default Pontiac Light Blue Engine Paint 59-65, Test Results From Three Different Brands

Hello all,
Over the years I have been disappointed with my efforts to match Pontiac engine paint colors. You can buy three cans of paint from different manufacturers for the same year car engine and get three different colors
I have a chart for the colors used, but it will not load so I will brief you with a bit of text.
1926-57...
three different shades of green from light to medium to dark every few years.
1957 Bonneville & all 58...dark turquoise blue.
1959-65...light blue.
1966-70...light blue metallic.
1971 & up changes every few years with multiple shades of "corporate blue".

I am building a 1960 389.
I grew up with these cars and remember well the engines were a light powder blue or sky blue. I researched available paints and found three popular brands for the 59-65 application. VHT #SP-122, Plastikote #208 & Dupli-color #1610.
Plastikote is poorly distributed and difficult to purchase without paying lots of shipping. Amazon was the best order option I found. Many auto parts stores have VHT & Dupli-color. Summit Racing Has VHT & Dupli-color.
Rattle cans do not always match the color of the cap, a source of aggravation for many of us do-it-yourselfers.
I knocked the VHT open and knew from memory it was too light.
Dupli-color disappointed by being too dark and having an element of green.
Plastikote #208 was the best match. I have some old original 389 engine parts here from 1960, 1963 & 1964. They were very consistent in color and The Plastikote is definatly the way to go if you are concerned with the best match you can get.
Second place goes to VHT #SP122 and Dupli-color # 1610 looks more like a later corporate hue to me.
I set up some sample chips so everyone could see what I saw. I hope this helps those who are restoring 59 through 65 326, 389 & 421 ci. engines.
I have a color chart for all years that I can share if Google does not produce for you.
Good luck on your projects everyone!
Tony
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Default Re: Pontiac Light Blue Engine Paint 59-65, Test Results From Three Different Brands

Tony, could part of the problem with getting the right hue be attributed to the lack of lead in current paint? I know in the past I have had trouble with matching up Pontiac engine colors but I never did anything too serious so I just lived with it. Thanks for taking the time to do your post. I for one really appreciate it. Jesse
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Old 02-12-2018, 11:59:41 AM
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How does the Plasticote stand up to oil and gas exposure? looks like a good match in color to your original sample, first photo
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I hear you Jesse,
I too, have just lived with what came easy during past budget builds.
Professional restoration shops have reputable sources for more accurate custom mixes that have been worked out over time and agreed on as good matches.
This usually involves quarts, mixing and expense.
I am a back yard, backwards, bone yard hillbilly and I live in the middle of a cornfield (beans next year) and I just need a fist full of rattle-cans to complement my home spun projects.
When the average cat like me can't even get a spray can that comes close you get frustrated
I am planning a cool old nostalgia build on Pontiac's long run of famous 389s.
This time around I want the color to be close enough to enhance the vivid memory of these legendary V8s.
Should be easy, but it is not. I scoured sources for this color and nearly all of them wanted to sell me Dupli-color 1610. Good paint from a good company, but it is too dark and too green.
VHT SP-122 is good paint from good company and will work if you are not too fussy, but it is a bit light.
Here is a picture of the VHT on my 1960 front cover and the Dupli-color on the valley tin...too light and too dark. When the engine gets assembled I will paint over complete engine with Plastikote #208 made by Valspar.
Tony
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How does the Plasticote stand up to oil and gas exposure? looks like a good match in color to your original sample, first photo
Andrew,
Quality in all three of these paints is good. They are, however, just spray cans and may not suit a high quality build by an exacting enthusiast.
I have had good luck with Valspar Plastikote. Proper de-greasing and prep work will yield better lasting paint. Will it burn off the exhaust crossover after laying waste to a pair of radial tires?...probably.
It is the color match that is poorly represented. The rep at Dupli-color that decided 1610 is 59-65 Pontiac engine blue obviously never owned or enjoyed one of these amazing classic cars.
I will post some more progress photos later.
I found the best color match I could that is readily available at a very reasonable price. This will work for me and it may save time for some other folks too.
Tony
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I remember looking under the hood of a new Pontiac and seeing that light blue paint. My parents had Pontiacs from '50 through '89. I also remember riding with Dad in our new '65 Catalina that had a 389 premium gas version and watching the speedo hit 120. Loved the sound of that 4 bbl carb.
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If I were going to buy engine paint there's only one name I would trust: Bill Hirsch. I have bought his paint before and have always had good luck. Colors are right, flows out nice and smooth/glossy, and the paint stands up to heat and underhood crud. In other words just what you need for a good job. Not the cheapest but in this instance you get what you pay for.

http://www.hirschauto.com/
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Bill Hirsch sell very good quality paint. I bought a quart of light blue metallic for the muscle era big incher I installed in my 1939 Pontiac coupe hot rod.
The best I ever used! It is $40 per qt & $18 per can + shipping.

This thread, however, is about readily available and easily affordable aerosol cans that that disappoint the average backyard car guy by being the wrong color. I made these paint samples to get the best color match we can get from common retailers in a $7 spray can.
I found a good match and I hope this may help another enthusiast.
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I remember looking under the hood of a new Pontiac and seeing that light blue paint. My parents had Pontiacs from '50 through '89. I also remember riding with Dad in our new '65 Catalina that had a 389 premium gas version and watching the speedo hit 120. Loved the sound of that 4 bbl carb.
Dad had a 63 Grand Prix. It had the vacuum gauge on the console, reporting power to economy. When I drove it I barely touched the gas as that thing drank fuel like crazy.
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I haven't found any of the rattle cans even close for pre-1966 Pontiac engine paint. However, with the exception of the 1957 and 1958 which came from a local "Mom & Pop" company, the Dupont numbers for pre-1966 are published in original Pontiac literature. Easy enough to have it custom-mixed for you.

About 30 years ago, three enthusiasts independently came up with formulae for the 1958. I sent the one I developed to Bill Hirsch at the time.

The 1959~1963 was more of a robin's egg blue than the light blue. The green color in the robin's egg blue faded with heat, creating the light blue after time. Again, the original color is readily available.

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