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Early 3-4.5hp Tank Cooled Olds


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Old 10-26-2016, 10:50:36 PM
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Default Early 3-4.5hp Tank Cooled Olds

I recently brought this engine home from WA. I have been trying to do as much research as I can. I have deduced so far that the company changed from "Olds Gasoline engine works" to "Olds Gas Power CO" in 1905-1906. I am not sure what date to place mine at being it is Olds Gasoline Engine Works. The serial is B905 and is rated at 3-4.5Hp. I have been given a few ideas, as for age from a few people, and one as early as 02 from one olds collector. It is suposed to have the fuel pump on the pulley side run off the eccentric on the crank and the carb off to the pulley side. I am hoping to find those parts but am coming up short so far. "Good Luck" is what I am being told. Any ideas from all of you or insight you may have? I will update this thread as things are being done to the engine. I will also get better pics of it in the next few days.





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Hi Jay,

Nice looking engine. Be careful when you are looking for a pump. These engines had two different styles of pumps. A brass horizontal style and a vertical cast iron pump that was actuated with a long rocker arm from the top. I believe the eccentrics were different on these as well. I also noticed that your engine has one flywheel with the mounting bosses for the pulley and the other one does not have any.

I used to own and engine with the vertical pump. Both flywheels on it did not have the mounting bosses and used a shaft mounted pulley.

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Found the old photos and took a camera shot of the them. Not the greatest, but may help illustrate at least one style of pump. This engine has the vertical cast iron pump.

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Default Re: Early 3-4.5hp Tank cooled olds

Hi Jay,
From the few plates I've seen, the different HPs seem to have different Shop No. series.
It would help with dating if the Shop numbers could be narrowed down around when the company name changed from Olds Gasoline Engine Works to Olds Gas Power Company in 1906, and then to the Seager Engine Works in 1909.
Pics of a couple of plates from Olds Gas Power Co. 2A and 3A attached.

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Here's a link to a video of my father's (Heller Davis) Olds engine. It's a 2hp, No.2 Style "A" with water pump.

https://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=161133
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Hi Jay,

Nice looking engine. Be careful when you are looking for a pump. These engines had two different styles of pumps. A brass horizontal style and a vertical cast iron pump that was actuated with a long rocker arm from the top. I believe the eccentrics were different on these as well.
Good Luck

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Joel, I am guessing the two different pumps mounted differently. I believe mine should have the other style different from yours.

Here are a few pics from the other day when I started working on getting it all loose and cleaned up. I didn't expect any paint when I bought the engine but I did find some while cleaning it as well as some remains of striping. Was also pleasantly surprised to find some of the decal left. I am still hoping to find a more definitive date of MFG but am just real happy to have it.

In the first picture you can see the mounting holes for the fuel pump and the priming leaver. The second shows the timer. Most of them I have seen show the timer mounted above the push rod. Mine is below.







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Default Re: Early 3-4.5hp Tank cooled olds

Hi Jay,

I just saw your recent post. Yes your engine has the other style of fuel pump. Here are a couple of pictures of the pump your engine needs.

The other engine in the pictures that I posted earlier had the same wood block style timer as yours. I believe that it is earlier than the engine with the timer mounted above the push rod. Hope this helps.

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I can't wait to see this engine at Rollag some day.
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Default Re: Early 3-4.5hp Tank cooled olds

I own a 2-3hp tank cooled Olds shop #9353.
It has a tag like the original poster.
It was missing :the cam follower,the carb and intake,the fuel pump and eccentric .
I was able to borrow parts and cast and machine in my home foundry and shop.
The engine runs well and ! have shown the engine locally.
The parts and owner are gone.
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Default Re: Early 3-4.5hp Tank cooled olds

Here is a similar OLDS I own. It is 4-6 Hp serial number B476, Olds Gasoline Engine Works. It is unusual in that it has removable head. It has the ignition points below as discussed.

I have kept a record of over 400 OLDS I have known of. I know of no known dating information. These are the Olds Gasoline Engine Works serial numbers I know of:

B93-OGEW
B323-OGEW
B476-OGEW
B646-OGEW
B905-OGEW
1188-OGEW
7354-OGEW
7514-OGW
7705-OGW
8342-OGEW
9353-OGEW
9401-OGW

These are the Olds Gas Power serial numbers I know of:

B1826-OGP
B1865-OGP
B2157-OGP
B2313-OGP
B3385-OGP
B3710 -OGP
B4539-OGP
B5101-OGP
B5559-RD-OGP
B7299-SQ-OGP
B7409-OGP
B8945-OGP
B9417-OGP
B9435-OGP
B10219 -OGP
C304-OGP
F5620-OGP
523-OGP Believed 1904
3280-OGP
3493-OGP
3666-OGP
6336-OGP

Seager Engine Works D1277 6 Hp was purchased Oct. 1910.
See: http://books.google.com/books?id=sBA...pe%20R&f=false
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