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Old 02-12-2008, 01:40:14 PM
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Default Re: Detroit in a Pickup.

Well, so much for the 3208 in the Ford. It was MIA when I drove by the other day, I'm assuming they sold the truck.

Mike-

Thanks for the picture. I think I spoke with you on the ACMOC site and you had sent me an email with a few pictures of the same truck, along with a Dodge powered by a V6 IH and a 13spd. I found a V6 Cummins in a Marion Shovel but it couldn't be bought- I thought it would be a cool swap. I guess the other place to find them is Hough loaders, but not too many left around here. The V8 version of that Cummins was another idea of mine, but a little too big.

Tom-

I've been in touch with Dan in the past. I beleive Dan's 4-53T is built to Silver spec. As a matter of fact Dan told me about a 6v53T out his way in a C30 that wasn't finished- I never heard back from him yet about it though.
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Tommy, The truck your talking about belongs to Jeff Wagamon. I work with him so if you would like PM me your number or e-mail and I'll pass it along.
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Hi Tommy,

I may have mentioned to you that I did a 4-53 conversion back many years ago when I was your age. It was a rebuilt 4-53N coupled to a New Process 445 four speed on a 1968 F-250 4x4. Had to put something like 3.70 ratio in the axles to get any kind of decent road speed out of it. It did get over 25 mpg if you stayed off the floor. I later took the same engine out, parted out the truck and started again. The same engine, on a modified International Harvester 1600 series double frame, Clark 264 VO Five speed with overdrive, Rockwell Cloverleaf transfer case, Spicer 5831 aux. trans. with 13 % over and under, Rockwell top loader 2 1/2 ton axles with 6:72 to 1 ratio, 10:00 x 20 NDT rubber with a mid 80's Ford body going along for the ride. Suprising that the truck had decent gradeability and could get up to 78 mph on 0 % grade. Mileage was about 15 mpg at best. Would have been better as a T conversion but I couldn't find a good one at the time.
PM me, I still have some of my files on the last conversion, did alot of work to set that one up and lost alot of $$.

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Old 02-21-2008, 07:16:31 PM
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My heart goes pitter-patter everytime I see this thing.

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Old 02-21-2008, 07:34:48 PM
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Default Re: Detroit in a Pickup.

After rereading this I remember seeing a Ford on ebay about a year ago with the 354 perkins. It wasn't turbo'd and had a 5 speed Clark transmission. This engine transmission combo was often used in medium duty trucks. I've seen 354's with the clark 5 speed for sale as a unit on ebay.

One other option you shouldn't overlook is the 6.6 or 7.8 Ford diesels. You have to watch the SCA's, but they are a good engine used (again) in medium duty trucks. You can often find F700's with this engine. I've seen quite a few guys find really good deals on F700's. I've heard of one such conversion. The fellow got the engine/transmission installed, but that's as far as he got. From what I understand it was a pretty straight forward installation.

Good luck and keep us posted!

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Old 02-22-2008, 10:07:27 AM
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Years back at the Coolspring Pa fall show there was an entire row of diesel conversions all the way in the back up by the creek.What struck me as a neat lash up was the way that the Deutz 5 cylinder engines adapted.They are air cooled and right away you pick up valuable inches since the radiator is no longer present,no cooling hose gymnastics either.
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Ford experimented with using the Duetz engines. I know a fellow who drove one in his work delivering water softner salt. He liked it, said it made great mileage. The only drawback was that they used a Wabasto heater to warm the cab in the winter. He said it was inadequate, sometimes didn't work at all. The drivetrain impressed him, however.
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Brand new to this forum and found this old thread. I am interested in putting a diesel in my 1950 Chevy 3/4-ton pickup. I first thought about a Detroit 4-53, or 3-53 then a 4BTA Cummins but lately have thought about a Perkins 6.354. I found one in a salvage yard about 60 miles from home in a rusted-out 76 Dodge W200 4x4. Owner says it "ran good when parked" but has a bad injector pump. Comes with a turbo. Any experience with one of them with a Chevy SM-420 transmission? Any comments 'preciated.
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I've heard the Isuzu 4 cylinder diesels used in the cab over trucks make a good choice, but do vibrate somewhat. I have a 1949 IHC 1 ton that I have been looking to put a diesel in, but money has killed any prospecs so far.
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I am interested in putting a diesel in my 1950 Chevy 3/4-ton pickup. I first thought about a Detroit 4-53, or 3-53 then a 4BTA Cummins but lately have thought about a Perkins 6.354. I found one in a salvage yard about 60 miles from home in a rusted-out 76 Dodge W200 4x4. Owner says it "ran good when parked" but has a bad injector pump. Comes with a turbo. Any experience with one of them with a Chevy SM-420 transmission? Any comments 'preciated.
Frank:

Go to my website and look at my '50 Chev fastback conversion (The Nerdmobile) with a 4.154 Perkins in it. Everybody said that the 4.154 engine wouldn't pull the Chev but it did fine.

I even added an overdrive and still had adequate power.

http://www.oldengine.org/members/durand/

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Thanks Vern0n and Eldon
I first started thinking/dreaming about a diesel repower in my 50 Chevy about 2 years ago, and have posted questions on several websites. Another guy mentioned the Izusu diesel and I guess they are readily available. My favorite engine type of any make is an inline 6. In fact I love the original 216 in my Chevy - and may just keep it. I think that is why I am interested in the Perkins. But the Detroit has a lot of appeal since they started out as GMC Diesel. In a way that would keep the truck all GM.
Eldon: Cool 50 Chevy Car!! Thanks.
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Sorry, Elden!
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Sometime back 15 years, Mitsibushi had a drop in conversion industrial diesel 6 cyl unit for dodge p/u. There were several in this area and were neat and easy on fuel. I got one to put in a Chevy 250 /79.but traded the truck off on my present 93/F250 with 7.3. I really like the 7.3.
I still have the conversion in the shed,waiting for a good project.
Cummings also had drop in conversions for most light and medium duty trucks,but kinda expensive.

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Old 02-15-2009, 03:25:15 PM
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I put a 98 Cummins 12V in a 92 F350. Actually a fairly simple conversion. Had to make a few custom adapters but for the most part I can buy everything off the shelf to do any needed repairs. Mileage wise I haven't gotten a legitamate reading yet. On a 2000 mile trip I averaged 10.5 MPG. Did have some break in issues; leak at turbo, starved for air, and vehicle weight around 10 tons. So all in all I was happy. When I get the bugs all worked out I should be able to get over 20mpg empty. I would do another of those transplants in a second and not think twice about it.
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Thanks for the replies.
FWurth, I would like to know more about that Mitsu 6-cylinder diesel. If you have any tech specs I would appreciate you posting them, thanks.
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I don't know about the Mitsibushi in a Dodge, but there was one used in IHC Scouts. I have one. I was thinking of using it in my 1949 KB3 truck, but found out it is only 100 hp, and don't think it will have enough umph for a regular size truck. I'm considering finding a Willys truck to use it in.
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50 Chevy Frank,sorry I didnt get back to you sooner. Just got back from a 6 state tour of the south. These Mitsubishi engines are avilable in 6 or 4 cyl in line configuration, model DR series. They are high speed units,550/3800 RPM. The 6 cyl is 243 cu in, about the same power as the chevy 6 gas. The neat thing is that they will fit in the same space and can get approx 25 mpg. and will run a good hwy speed. As with all diesels the hp can be turned up a bit, turbo ,pump etc.
I had planed to put it in my pickup but as we pull a 25 ft implement trailer, figured I needed a bigger horse.
A lot of these were used in larger forklifts, etc. I think they would be great in a vintage daily driver, no major surgery to body or chassis and super reliable.

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Start here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZWgrTde348

and then start looking at the related videos. The best part of youtube is you get the sound with the video!

When you check back, tell me how long you spent on youtube listening to screamin-jimmys!
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oldtractors, Thanks for the youtube link. That is cool. I have been on there before and watched a bunch of diesel vids. I guess there are thousands of old car and truck pieces on there.
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Frank SR.
I did some research on your Mitsu DR motor. I found a wikipedia article and a couple more posts. It seems Dodge had this as a factory option in 78 and 79 light-duty trucks, 1/2-ton only, maybe. The engine is model 6DR50A; 243 ci/4.0 liter, 107 hp @ 2900 (or 3500) and 169 T @ 2200. This was not a popular option and probably only a few thousand were sold. Mitsu had this engine in production for over 20 years tho, from about 70-93, in Fuso trucks and lots of industrial applications world-wide. Mileage was reported to be good tho, 20-25 mpg in a full size pickup. I had never heard of it until you posted about it a few days ago. Thanks
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