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Old 08-08-2010, 09:02:36 PM
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Default Two more Twin City's

I brought home a couple more Twin City tractors this weekend. One is another early 12-20 and the other is a 17-28 parts tractor. The 12 -20 is in nice shape except for the fenders. The engine is loose and seems clean inside. Transmission shifts very nicely thru all gears and the drive train seems to have not a lot of wear. It has the early Pierce governor and the early cast valve cover vent. The front axle and steering is very tight with none of the usual slop. I think it is considerably better shape than the earlier one which came from the old log barn. Shouldn't take much to get it running. Oh, and the large wasp nest will have to go!!

The 17-28 is a parts tractor and has a lot of good parts. .
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Old 08-08-2010, 10:41:22 PM
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I think it's time for someone not to let Phil off his leash anymore! At least it's not Rumelys Phil! Another good find by the looks of things at any rate.
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you should save that nest! scrape it off best you can and spray it with spray shellac
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Old 08-09-2010, 09:27:13 AM
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Maybe I should just leave it on there and shellac it as it's wrapped right around the spoke.
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Old 08-09-2010, 11:05:33 AM
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Default Re: Two more Twin City's

Nice find. I have seen a couple of these smaller Twin Cities in person and in pictures. I have noticed some differences between them. Some have the govenor mounted directly at the timing gear housing and some like this one have all the linkage first and the govenor up top. Is this an early/late 12-20 production feature or a 17-28 feature?

These tractors are very rare birds in my neighbourhood. Is there a real quick way to tell a 12-20 from a 17-28 other than the serial number?
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Old 08-09-2010, 11:16:21 PM
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Jeff; The small high mounted governor is the Pierce governor that was used on the early 12-20 tractors. The lower mounted one was the Twin city governor that was fitted partway through 12-20 production.

Here is the link to Tony Thompson's excellent Twin City site for a lot more good info.

http://twincitytractors.tripod.com/index.htm
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boy would that ever be the talk of a show. lol if you could keep every little kid from poking it.
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Maybe I should just leave it on there and shellac it as it's wrapped right around the spoke.
Interesting tractors and nest. The white faced hornets make those nests. Keep it there.
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Default Re: Two more Twin City's

Phil,
That is not only a wasp nest but an hole nest of Twin City’s.
Amazing scene.

Phil you seems to know a lot about The Twin City as a tractor collector.
Al arround 15 years we have a Twin City 17-28, as you can see on the next 2 pictures.
The Air intake of this tractor (picture 2) looks a little bit rare.
Do you think its original.

Chris
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Chris
I don't think that is original.
My 12/20 came with a similar air cleaner that someone told me most likely came off of a Minneapolis Moline of some sort.
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Chris, the air intake and air cleaner do not appear to be original. The fender looks like the ones on an unstyled John Deere 'A'. Do you know if it is a replacement? The 17-28 fenders have two ribs about 3/4 inch wide running the full length of the fender about 1 1/2 inches in from each edge and they don't taper in at the front outside edge.

Here is a previous thread with pics.


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Your fenders look very similar to a Case L. The way the front edge curves in and the large stiffening beads. The Case fenders mount the same way as the TC, I can see why they would make viable replacements.
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I believe you're right, Kent. They do look like 'L' fenders. I don't know what made me think they were JD Too long of a day!
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Default Re: Two more Twin City's

Thanks guys for the very intresting response.

I never have looked at the fenders.
They are fitting so nice that we never thaught about it.
We are also having a Case L and i have looked today and you guys are right !!!!!!. as you can see on the new picture.
The are L fenders !!!!!.

That Aircleaner looks to intricated.

First i thaught today after the new information its an John City ore a Twin Deere
But now it looks A Twin City L ore a Case City with the fenders.

The Twin City have serial nr. 23014 and by the register of David it must be from 1927.

Wel we have it run already and maby we are going to restore it one day.

Thanks everbody for the new intresting information.
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boy would that ever be the talk of a show. lol if you could keep every little kid from poking it.
I'm worried one of my steam buddies from Minny-soda would poke it!!!!! I've asked him before if he was one of those kids that ran thru the woods with a sharpened stick looking for hornet's nests.......
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It's already been poked! My young grandson had a go at it with an old screwdriver that we found alongside the engine on the tractor. He came to tell me quite proudly that, "I got rid of that old wasp nest for you, Grandpa." He knows that I am allergic to bee stings.
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You are doing great Phil,
If you have a grandson that would take a tool in hand to help grandpa with one of his antique tractors and to protect you from an allergic reaction to a bee sting, then you are one of the richest men in the world
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Phil,

The governor in picture 4 of post one looks like the one on my Hercules engine. Put a picture in post 7 here: http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49310 also bears a similarity to the governor in post 22 here: http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showth...t=34162&page=2
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That is a Pierce governor on your Hercules engine. They are driven through a small diameter shaft through an angle drive which on your unit appears to be driven off the camshaft. On the Twin City it is driven through two angle drives, each of which contains a set of bevel gears. The governor itself is contained in the larger cylinder and the revolving flyweights are linked to a butterfly which closes to control RPM. Rather a neat little unit, but apparently a little fragile in the angle drives if not properly lubricated.
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phill you seem to be a twin city guy do you have any info on twin city treshing machines my buddies and i may be fixing one if we can get it to work
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