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Old 12-04-2017, 11:49:56 AM
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Guys,
Last week I spoke to a family member who told me about a Hornsby-Akroyd Serial 8382 which is on a farm about 1800km round trip from my house and they say it is still fairly intact but it is taking up to much space and must be removed. The owner wants to get rid of it and I want to preserve it so we are in some negotiations at the moment.
I would love to know what year she is and approximate weight if I am going to do the trip to fetch her. Need to do some planning because the farm is many kilometers away from anything.
I tried to search for a register where I can find the age but I am unable to find anything at the moment.
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Old 12-04-2017, 06:16:47 PM
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Hello G,
I think the fellow you are looking to talk to is Ray Hooley from UK?
Ray has the company production records that will carry the detailed info on each serial number sent out.A net search will find him if his name is mentioned along with the Hornsby Akroyd brand,or perhaps someone here will have a web address for Ray?
If you ask the now owner to look for you on the closest edge/face of the cylinder sleeve that faces the crankshaft,the engine number and bhp will be stamped there.If you return here with that information it might help?The other factor concerning weight would be to ask is the engine a portable or stationary type?
Looking at the serial number I am guessing that the shipping date might be somewhere around the middle of 1904?
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Old 12-04-2017, 07:11:22 PM
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Hello G ........as a matter of interest is Andy Self still around , a good person to know he has done some very good restorations in your country . I wonder if he is still in Elgin?
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Old 12-05-2017, 01:33:31 AM
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Thank you for the feedback. As far as I know it is a stationary engine because the owner's son told my cousin it will be a challenge to get the engine out of it's current position. Sounds at least that she is under roof so hopefully little rust (that area only get about 102mm of rain a year) and I might be able to "carry" her out piece by piece.
Will investigate further and send an update.
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Old 12-05-2017, 04:42:27 AM
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I think it'd be great if you could take some photos of the engine as it is before you remove it. I like seeing photos of engines in their original location, mounted on their original concrete base.
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Ray Hooley's email is: ray hooley @ gofornet. net. uk. (remove spaces).
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Old 12-06-2017, 01:47:02 PM
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Thanx to everybody for feedback and advise. I got feedback from Ray Hooley today. Below his reply. He also has publications and engine transfers available for those who are interested.
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Hornsby-Akroyd No.8382, rated 8hp, was sold to agents Reiners von Laer & Co - and was dispatched to Port Elizabeth (South Africa) on 30. 3. 1904. Unfortunately, Hornsby never published weights of complete engines. The only weight that I have is for the flywheel, which is 14.5cwt for the 8hp engine.
If required, I can supply a set of H-A publications for £38, including postage.
I can also supply new engine transfers:- 5.75”diam....£8 each, 7”diam....£10 each.
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I wonder how they shipped such a heavy piece of equipment the 800km to the farm in 1904 where it was doing duty for so many years.
Hope to have a call with owner tomorrow to finalize getting my new toy ;-)
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Old 12-06-2017, 05:40:08 PM
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I suppose by now G you realise that the flywheel in kgs is going to be around 730,or close enough to 3/4 of a ton?
I'm probably not the best source of advice on these things,having gotten it very wrong in the past?I would plan for a total weight of around 2000 up to 2500kg?
I did always think Aus was a big patch of land until I got comparing to the African continent.An Aussie shaped biscuit cutter will make many biscuits when chopping into an Africa shaped pastry if the size comparison is right.
My mates wife is from Sth Africa and she was able to help me with the mind shift to see the big distances there.
I once had a similar mission to yours to accomplish here.I made some rough weight estimates and took off in a 1 ton ute(bukki) pulling tandem trailer.
The drive was 20 hours one way,also for Hornsby Akroyd rescue btw.
In the first 20 mins of the 20 hour home journey I concluded that I was grossly overweight,and was getting ready to make the newspaper or the evening news with a nasty road trauma headline.
I crawled to the nearest motel and returned to the previous owner in the morning where we halved the load.
It was almost another 3 months before I was able to get myself organised for another 40 hour round trip for the other half of the load.
It's up to you now boyki,to get it done and try not to break anything.
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Hi Paul,
Thank you for your reply. Very good advise you gave me because grabbing my 4x4 and a 3-ton trailer was exactly my plan. I know with 2.5t on the trailer I need to get some weight on the 4x4. I was planning to take the flywheel off and load that on the 4x4 but with +-700kg it would be almost over limit already on the 4x4. The trailer is duel axle and weight distribution that side should be fine. Sounds I need to ask a friend of mine to tag along with another 4x4 and trailer ;-)
I will only be able to finalize with the owner after the 24th, when the onwer's son will be visiting his parent's farm and send me some pictures of the engine and the area around it to see how easy it would be to load.
Looking at pics it seems possible to split the cylinder part from the base which could help a lot if I have two trailers.
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Old 12-17-2017, 04:42:16 AM
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Hi, in my opinion you don't want to take off the flywheel as its been set nice and tight all this time and I wouldn't disturb it, and i definitely wouldn't take the cylinder off. If you need to break up the load, take the big end off the rod, the main bearing caps off and take the whole crank/ flywheel assembly carefully out( note the timing marks on the skew gears and bearing brass positions).You can pull the piston and rod out because you will need to clean the rings anyway.Also remove any loose caps etc. and the drip oiler for traveling because sometimes they fly off or break.

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Also , before pulling the piston out , pack heaps of rags in the end of the piston because as it comes out of the bore it has a tendency to drop down and the con rod can break the piston skirt.
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