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Old 04-02-2013, 12:03:31 PM
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The thing which annoys me most is sellers who want their item to show up in every search.
Consarn & dang those "gas steam tractor magneto hit & miss engine brass oiler" listings!
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My Biggest hate are shill bidders i got shill bidded 12 months back on a International fuel tank
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Large Items I list on Ebay I list for Top-Dollar or best offer. I do this because they're heavy shipping cost compared to value means I'll have to wait for somebody who's somewhat local to buy it. I'd like to sell it for top-dollar, but I'll accept a reasonable offer. I might have to re-list an item 2-3 times to find a East Coast Buyer for "local pick-up only" items. I often get offers so low they're insulting. I'd like to reply "For that price I wouldn't sell you the sweat off my U know whats" But I just send a cordial decline. When I need to buy something on buy it now or best offer I make a reasonable offer, I would never offer 10% of the asking price. I'm busy and have better things to do than waste my time making offers I know will be declined. It also depends what part of the Country your in. Some Items that are a dime-a -dozen in rural America are rare in the city areas. Any item is worth whatever the market will bare. No more, no less
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Old 10-01-2013, 10:54:52 AM
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My Biggest hate are shill bidders i got shill bidded 12 months back on a International fuel tank
Please Explain what you concider a "Shill Bidder".

If you think it's anyone and everyone that places a bid after you, whether it's five minutes after you or in the last two seconds before the auction ends, then everyone that places a bid on something Before You Do, can call you a 'Shill Bidder' for doing the same thing.

Some people bid early and bid often, and some people wait till the last minute. If you got outbid, it's because you didn't bid high enough or didn't want it bad enough to bid higher. If you won the auction but at a higher price, then you still got it for your bid amount, Or Less, depending on how much they ran you up.

There's a pocket knife with the handle in the shape of a locomotive that I've been bidding on for 3 months now. They start all of their auctions at $0.99 and every time they relist a new another one, I place my maximum bid on it. A couple times my bid wasn't enough to ever be the high bidder, and other times I have been the high bidder for 3 or 4 days before someone outbids me. I figure eventually everyone else that's looking at them will have one and then I will get one either at the start price or at or below my maximum bid. I'm in no hurry to get it.

If it was something that rarely if ever showed up, then I would bid higher and higher as long as I had the funds to cover it.

I don't worry about the 'so called' 'shill bidders' that are more likely than not, just someone else that wants the same item I do.

Just bid what it's worth to you and don't worry about it.
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Some of the "shill bidders" are what I call "Sharpshooters". They watch an item and wait until the last few minutes of a sale to start bidding. They bid their whoo-hoo's off until the auction closes.
I have watched items and the bid price barely moves for days, or weeks. In the last few minutes, the bid prices goes through the roof. Usually, it's while I'm not by the computer,so I miss out.
Luck of the draw, I guess.
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If I can't be by the computer when an item is to end,if I really want an item,I place my very max.bid as late as I can,& let ebay do it automatically. Some times I get it & some times I don't,but at least I tried & it was the Max. that I wanted to pay. If I can be by the computer when it ends I wait until it is WELL under 10 seconds left until it ends & put my max. bid out in 1 shot & it works a lot of the time.If you do it this way there are no re-bids, & if you are bashfull in your bid.......You lose.This method works well but depends on the speed of your internet.I know it would have never worked when I still had dial up internet.
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Ebay Policy on Shill Bidding...

It's not someboby bidding wanting the item.. It is someone that bids to drive the price up...

Sniping is not against Ebay policy...
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I bid on a lot of things I don't win, and it ends up driving the price up, but that doesn't mean I didn't want the item for what I was willing to bid.

Doesn't mean I'm a "Shill Bidder".

Shill bidding is driving up the prices on your own stuff either by having a second account which you aren't supposed to have, or having a friend do the bidding for you. It should be easy to spot a pattern if everything someone sells gets a lot of non-winning bids by the same person. If it happens at random, there is likely No Shill Bidding going on no matter what the other bidder thinks happened when they got run up or out bid.

Even repeat bidders aren't necessarily 'Shills' either as in my previous post with the pocket knife I've been trying to get. It may Look like a pattern to someone, but it's really just me bidding what I feel they are worth until I eventually get one of them.

Thank you for posting that link though.

I already knew their policy, but was directing my question to those that bitch & whine every time they get out bid or have their bid raised by someone else and think everyone else is crooked because they didn't get what they wanted or think they paid too much.

As I've said before, Bid What It's Worth To You and don't worry about it.

And Yes, I know Sniping isn't against the rules either, and my answer is the same there. Bid what you're willing to pay and don't worry about it. You'll either win it at or below your bid, or someone else wanted it worse than you did whether they outbid on the second day of the listing or in the last 2 seconds.
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It should be easy to spot a pattern if everything someone sells gets a lot of non-winning bids by the same person.
It would , except ebay now hides the identity of bidders, so; you are unable to spot these shenanigans. Dont you remember all the complaints when eBay made the change to hide ID's? They did not want anyone contacting the value challenged under bidders with offers to sell. Or people exposing fakes & fraud to bidders during auctions. Now there is a wall, hiding the bidders.

BTW, there can be skill bidders at live auctions too.
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They hide the identities, but if you repeatedly see something like P**o(34) or t**e(11) or whatever scrambled hidden identity as a bidder on everything someone has listed, they can still be spotted.

Hidden ID's make it nearly impossible to identify who the 'bidder' is, but it's still possible to see a trend with them if you look back through the sellers completed listings. Still hard to prove it's a shill though, as with the case I noted where I have been trying to get a pocket knife for three months now bidding on the sellers new listing for it every week. One of them already was higher than I am willing to go so I didn't bid on it, but I have bid on 11 of the last 12 listings they had for it.

Doesn't mean I'm a shill bidder, it just means I want one at the price I'm willing to pay and no higher. But I also only bid on the one style of knife he sells where he has dozens of different ones available, so I'm not bidding on or running up all of his listings.

I'm sure others trying to get the same knife as me may have noticed my hidden ID(###) over and over the same as I noticed one repeat a couple times before they finally won one of them. Or it may not matter to anyone else enough to even look. With it on my favorite search list, IF I ever find another seller starting them at the same low price then I will bid on theirs instead. As it is, I'm going for the cheapest one I can get since they all come from the same factory and there are enough of them available I will eventually get one.

I don't doubt there are 'shill bidders' out there violating eBay's policy, but I get tired or hearing or reading everyone's constant complaints every time they lose out to someone because they didn't bid high enough or got run up on something and the first thing they do is start screaming fraud as if everyone in the world is crooked.

If you're that paranoid about getting run up or outbid on something, then don't even bother placing a bid or even looking at the item and then you don't have to worry about it.
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