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Old 09-22-2012, 03:03:34 AM
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Yesterday just got my first engine a Witte 2hp hit n miss sidehead to run for a few minutes. At some of the shows I see some with water in the hoppers and others with no water. I was wondering if my Witte should definitely have water in it or if it can just idle slowly along without? I do understand if its working it must have water.
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Old 09-22-2012, 06:03:15 AM
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Water! Doesn't have to be full, and won't need it if it just idles a few minutes, but it should have water to equalize the temperature around the cylinder and head. Be sure and drain it for cold weather.
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Old 09-22-2012, 08:37:44 AM
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Definitely have water, even an idling engines generates heat that needs to be dispelled from the engine.
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Old 09-22-2012, 10:36:15 AM
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Yesterday just got my first engine a Witte 2hp hit n miss sidehead to run for a few minutes. At some of the shows I see some with water in the hoppers and others with no water. I was wondering if my Witte should definitely have water in it or if it can just idle slowly along without? I do understand if its working it must have water.
What you may be seeing is guys running their engines that are of the hit & miss variety. I have a Stover X that only hits one time in 40 revolutions and runs at 240 rpm so it only fires 6 times a minute. Not much heat being made there so
I never need to put water in it, even here in Arizona I can always put my hand on the muffler and not get burned.
A throttling governed engine though needs water, even to run a short time since they generate a lot more heat.
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Old 09-22-2012, 11:35:40 AM
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My 9 HP Economy hits once every 36-39 revolutions and it needs water. I had a headless Witte 6 HP and it was 49 revs between hits and would run about 10 or so minutes without getting warm. Some engines are different than others.
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Old 09-22-2012, 12:28:52 PM
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Everyone has their own opion I guess ,but from some of the manuals I have and read, some engines with heads have a so called hot spot where the fuel would vaporize,a space between the exhaust and intake,and if it has a water cooled head or headless I would run water,the stress from heating and cooling,age rust from flakeing off,and not knowing how a engine was treated when in use.Ring drag and say if the cyl got dry on ya somehow it would be a lot safer to run water than ruining a engine head or worse a cyl...don't castrate me LOL just my opion........
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Simply my input, they wouldn't of put a hopper on them if they didn't need coolant in them
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Yesterday just got my first engine a Witte 2hp hit n miss sidehead to run for a few minutes. At some of the shows I see some with water in the hoppers and others with no water. I was wondering if my Witte should definitely have water in it or if it can just idle slowly along without? I do understand if its working it must have water.
Your engine is referred to as Headless. What you call a sidehead is what they call a valve cage. As far as water if its slow running and not working most likely not. Easy way to check is if the cylinder is to hot to touch then you need some water. Its best to run it without if you can because running a little hotter helps keep the carbon down and helps keep spark plugs from fouling. Bob
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i would run water just for piece of mind
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Most Witte 2 hp engines run hot. It is common to see a Witte boil water under a load or not.
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Use the water. Water is a lot cheaper than engines.
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I figure there is a water hopper for a reason and water is cheap! They need water especially when working under load. I try to use soft water to keep from getting mineral deposits built up if the water boils off. Some publications I have seen say to use rain water.....around here we have not had much rain, so I use the water from my dehumidifier.
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I figure there is a water hopper for a reason and water is cheap! They need water especially when working under load. I try to use soft water to keep from getting mineral deposits built up if the water boils off. Some publications I have seen say to use rain water.....around here we have not had much rain, so I use the water from my dehumidifier.
I put a couple of buckets under the shed roof to catch rainwater,but,this year they have been very dry here too,no need to empty them to keep mosquitos out!!!
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Default Re: Water in my hopper?

You can get away with using water if;
# 1, only do it with a hit & miss engine.
# 2, only if you can hold your hand on the cylinder after it has run for a while.

---------- Post added at 09:25 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:22 PM ----------

I mean without water.
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Old 09-24-2012, 11:05:13 PM
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Default Re: Water in my hopper?

And you probably already know and I didnt see it mentioned but when you do add water be sure and cover the cylinder and keep it covered.
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and put the water in before its hot...
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Old 09-25-2012, 01:06:41 AM
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Default Re: Water in my hopper?

I've always felt of the cylinder for test, and most of my engines seem to run just warm to touch without water. But I never thought of hot spots in the head. I'll be inclined to use water hereafter.
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Dick Your not going to have hot spots in the head on a cool running hit&miss its pulling cool air in and out the exhaust when its coasting. Bob
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