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Old 09-21-2005, 07:58:04 AM
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This is going to be a neat sale as for there has not been a 110 on auction (at least not a basket case of parts) for a long time, 1988 may have been the last. I hope it stays in US but I hear there is a bunch of interest from across the pond.
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I just emailed a contact in Ireland to see if HE has heard of foreign interest.....he's quite connected.....
We'll see.....
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I don't know about you guys, but it absolutely burns me up to see our agricultural & industrial heritage going across the sea. I know its a free country of free enterprise, so there's not a lot that can be done, but still I hate it.
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Chuck. the 80 has to be a 1916 from what i figured. they didn't make butt straps in 14, and they only made 3 tractions in 15. so i have # 3'3'466 fitting in 1916. i wonder if this engine has a plate or they just tried to pick a #. the # 31466 hits the same batch of 80 my GGpas 80 was in. and they were Laps. everything else was like the butts though, the clutch lever finally in the obvios spot (instead of the nitemares they had in 12 and 13, shorter front wheels with the wide front axel and late style pump drive. have one friend near hear going down to look at the 80. have also heard of one forign interest this summer on the 110 maybe when they realize how much work it would be to container they will loose interest? its too bad that one went over there and nothing was done with it then he was trying to sell it. i think the last 110 sold at auction was the kovacic one, when junior bought it. and before that it would probably be the leland gross one form Ryder ND.
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Old 09-21-2005, 12:03:46 PM
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How many 110 were built, and how many are still around that someone knows of? Where are the 110's today? Bob
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Anybody want to list their guesses as to what the engines will bring? Might be interesting to see how close somebody comes.
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Anybody want to list their guesses as to what the engines will bring? Might be interesting to see how close somebody comes.
That might be FUN--but the DOWNSIDE will be getting shot all to heck for inflating prices.................
Either way.....there's no winning.
DEPENDING on how THIS goes I'll take a shot at it.
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I am not an authority on Case's but beleive last count was between 30 to 31 for the 110's left. Of the ones left I would say that only about 20 or so are original one's, the rest have been put together out of parts and peices.
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Does anyone have an "educated" guess at to what the 150 boiler may bring. I have heard a couple people say it may go as high as $50,000. That would be awful steep to me but I guess it is a one of a kind and there are a lot of crazy Case people out there
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I have 35 complete 110s listed. and theres at least 3 more that could go together. i will print off a bunch of lists so i can hand some out at the sale. I did a quick scan and i think about 25 of them are originals. i guess there was around 917 110s built counting all the skid engines. we've guessed between $16 and 20000 for the 150 boiler. 95- 105 for the 110, 24-26 for the 80, and 22-24 for the 65, 50 and roller. the 18hp is hard to say but we're thinking 10 grand give or take. we are real curious as to what the 44X66 case thresher might bring. We have the only other restored running one left. the rusty one at Danny roens sale brought 3750. and it had the wrong wheels and a few other wrong parts. I see there are 2 sets of extensions that showed up at georges. i bet they will be Hot sellers anyone know what the big gas tractors will bring?
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I think Colin is low on the engine's, I would guess much higher on the 110. A good E Rumely will fetch 100K and there is a bunch compared to a 110 in #'s. You can be a bidder for a 100K but to be a player you better have more! Just my Guess?
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I have 35 complete 110s listed. and theres at least 3 more that could go together. i will print off a bunch of lists so i can hand some out at the sale. I did a quick scan and i think about 25 of them are originals. i guess there was around 917 110s built counting all the skid engines. we've guessed between $16 and 20000 for the 150 boiler. 95- 105 for the 110, 24-26 for the 80, and 22-24 for the 65, 50 and roller. the 18hp is hard to say but we're thinking 10 grand give or take. we are real curious as to what the 44X66 case thresher might bring. We have the only other restored running one left. the rusty one at Danny roens sale brought 3750. and it had the wrong wheels and a few other wrong parts. I see there are 2 sets of extensions that showed up at georges. i bet they will be Hot sellers anyone know what the big gas tractors will bring?
I spent the day at Hedtke's--a man would be a fool to pay those prices without first doing some ultra-sound checking on the boilers---most of them?? Or at least several of them have not been run nor inspected in nearly 25 years--over 20 for sure. Coon shit is several inches deep in many places even in some places on the engines--I did not get around to looking in the threshing machines, but we all know that is their favorite home--my guess is the insides of those have suffered considerable damage. The 36 inch Case with the wing feeders looked near mint when I saw it about 12-15 years ago--It has since sat through a flood--the entire belly sat under water--from a distance one can see the water line on the sides--and the bottom of the blower housing has now rotted out (seen from a distance)
It was a sad sight. It is just a pity that it all did not get sold off a decade ago. The extensions are both 66 inch--one set of 8 inchers, and one set of 12 inchers--an expert there told me that one of the sets was designed for steam engines, and the other was designed for tractor use--but also told me that both styles get used interchangably. A set this size a few years ago near here went for 3K.
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Old 09-21-2005, 10:39:24 PM
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Chuck. the 80 has to be a 1916 from what i figured. they didn't make butt straps in 14, and they only made 3 tractions in 15. so i have # 3'3'466 fitting in 1916. i wonder if this engine has a plate or they just tried to pick a #. the # 31466 hits the same batch of 80 my GGpas 80 was in. and they were Laps. everything else was like the butts though, the clutch lever finally in the obvios spot (instead of the nitemares they had in 12 and 13, shorter front wheels with the wide front axel and late style pump drive. have one friend near hear going down to look at the 80. have also heard of one forign interest this summer on the 110 maybe when they realize how much work it would be to container they will loose interest? its too bad that one went over there and nothing was done with it then he was trying to sell it. i think the last 110 sold at auction was the kovacic one, when junior bought it. and before that it would probably be the leland gross one form Ryder ND.
Yes the 80 does have a tag on it--it looks orig., but 20-30 years ago there were lots of blank tags to be had--and even today the repo tags look like orig.--and if a "new" tag had been put on 25 or more years ago to weather and "age", who would know by looking at it today? The number on the tag is 31466--clearly a 1914 number--I sure wish I could have gotten the boiler number off that one--but I think one will have to raise the quadrant shelf a few inches to get it--maybe its new owner will do that for us?? Maybe the boiler has been swapped? Or not?
I was unable to locate a boiler number on the 150 boiler It does have what appears to be its orig thick cast brass tag--And if that is the correct/orig. tag/number, we already have the boiler number from the orig. factory records---but I'd sure like to confirm that by finding/seeing it on the boiler. Maybe some good young eyes will spot it while attending the auction?
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Benson Mt was offering to build Case 150's for $180,000. Then I heard that their company went out of business shortly after that. I am curious to know how did they come up with blueprints to work off. According to JI Case archives - all the blueprints for the Case 150 either do not exist or were destroyed. Does anyone know if either Willis Abel or Benson Mt had prints ?
Austin Monk once told me that Willis had tried, at one time, to buy George's boiler from 14666, to complete it and be able to call it a "restoration" instead of a "replica." George would not sell the boiler and Willis considered the other quote on a complete replica. I don't know where Willis is at this point, with this boiler. Willis does have a set of Road Locomotive blueprints and also owns an operating 1/4 scale model of that engine.
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I forgot to say in my earlier posting, I got to meet George Hedtke, who was riding on Graham Seller's 110 at the 50th Wauseon in 1994. I was also riding, while Jim Briden engineered. I visited with George about the fact I played on his 110 as a boy, over near Stanford, Montana
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Austin Monk once told me that Willis had tried, at one time, to buy George's boiler from 14666, to complete it and be able to call it a "restoration" instead of a "replica." George would not sell the boiler and Willis considered the other quote on a complete replica. I don't know where Willis is at this point, with this boiler. Willis does have a set of Road Locomotive blueprints and also owns an operating 1/4 scale model of that engine.
A guy in North dakota had original blue prints along with a lot of information on case and other makes that has never been seen before. he agreed to copy the prints for dad if he didn't make any more or sell them. but then a few years later a friend of dads buged and buged him for a set because he wanted to give them to Willis becasue he said he was going to build one. so reluctantly dad gave them to his friend to get copied. i think this friend and another friend of dads also got a set at that time. dad knew Willis would never get the engine done. i dont think he was that big of a case lover in the first place?
chuck, a guy we know was there a few weeks ago and he said the crown sheet in the roller wasn't too good. and he thought all the smoke boxes weren't that great. This picture of George and dad was taken almost 10 years ago to the day bcak in sept 1995. He came up here with a freind of ours that fall and i think again in 1997 they came up for the Austin manitoba show. Georges mind was still working ok back then. I wish he could come back for a day and tell some good old stories
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Got some news from Ireland regarding foreign interest at the Hedtke sale: apparently no---BUT---there's a collector in ITALY who has been chasing US stuff...
I'll add a link to THAT site later...........
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