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Rhodes 7" metal shaper needs a Step pulley/handwheel


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Old 01-22-2015, 09:32:25 PM
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Default Rhodes 7" metal shaper needs a Step pulley/handwheel

I just picked up this shaper and am in need of the original step pulley setup... If anyone can help it would be greatly appreciated. Also I am looking fort metal working machines from the 1800s...and small machines as well for a portable lineshaft display I am building. Thanks George. Attached is a pic of what the original pulley looks like.
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Default Re: Rhodes 7" metal shaper needs a Step pulley/handwheel

Here is the pic of the shaper in need of the pulley...
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Default Re: Rhodes 7" metal shaper needs a Step pulley/handwheel

Never seen one as basic as that one i used to use the handle on the old one at a shop i worked at it adjusted the stroke control and up down vice.
it had a simple knurled part that locked the stroke length on the shaft.
The top arm was locked in the same way as yours.
i thinking your going to have to make a pattern up and do some drawings to replicate it.
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I have a Rhoades shaper and YEP that's what they look like. Other than that cannot help.
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Default Re: Rhodes 7" metal shaper needs a Step pulley/handwheel

If you can provide some dimensions I might have something that will work.
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Default Re: Rhodes 7" metal shaper needs a Step pulley/handwheel

A guy in the clasf'ds about a month ago had some handwheels and whatnot for sale... FWIW

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I think his name is R. Findly? He also sells engines and what not...
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Let Me know what You want and I'll send dimensions along.
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Default Re: Rhodes 7" metal shaper needs a Step pulley/handwheel

Am I missing something here, or would it be safe to assume that the existing stepped driving pulley would have been matched by an identical driven pulley, so that the same belt would shift onto each step? Bore size may vary, but it should be possible to find or fabricate another pulley that is externally identical. Just my thoughts.
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Default Re: Rhodes 7" metal shaper needs a Step pulley/handwheel

commonly on shapers you have several adjustments they are.

Stroke, - by turing the knurled locknut then turning the shaft to alter the stroke length then tighten the knurled locknut.

arm position- by top nut

Height - two methods , major moves by the table adjustment minor moves by the handle on top front of the arm. It is this i used to adjust cut height to do a keyway (top arm one)

Cross table - automatic by the rachet on the side eccentric or manual by putting the crank handle on the square ended cross slide screw.

When you cut a 60 mm depth you don't want the stroke to be excessive only just enough to do the key of 60 so you make it about 70mm enough to clear chips.
you also set the position by the top nut on the arm.
Hope that helps for non shaper users, its similar with a slotter, although they are commonly vertical setups not horizontal.
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Default Re: Rhodes 7" metal shaper needs a Step pulley/handwheel

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Am I missing something here, or would it be safe to assume that the existing stepped driving pulley would have been matched by an identical driven pulley, so that the same belt would shift onto each step? Bore size may vary, but it should be possible to find or fabricate another pulley that is externally identical. Just my thoughts.
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I think what might be confusing is that in the picture you see a step v-pulley set up or at least one... That was actually added by some one to later convert the machine over from flat belt drive... I have already removed and discarded that setup and am looking to find an original flat belt pully / hand wheel to bring this machine back to original... It would be nice to find the countershaft to match but I wasn't going to push my luck in asking for that. Would anyone be familiar with the serial numbers regarding rhodes shapers? I think a list has been put together for ones dating 1929 and latter but I'm thinking my shaper is much earlier?? In Copes book and several other ads found on the net it shows very early examples with three t slots in the table ...mine does not have that however it does have a base that would have accepted cast iron legs... Not the cast iron column base that you see more regularly. This leads me to believe it must be early ... Maybe in the first 5 years or so... The serial number is 1050 if anyone happens to know?
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Default Re: Rhodes 7" metal shaper needs a Step pulley/handwheel

Hello George,
Thanks for the explanation on the existing pulley setup. Any chance you could find a similar pair of pulleys from a scrapped camelback drill, or early lathe etc, that could be modified? Someone here with more shaper experience may have better ideas. Regards,
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Default Re: Rhodes 7" metal shaper needs a Step pulley/handwheel

My serial number is something like 860, putting it around 1916. I made a flat belt pulley from scratch after much scrounging for the right size materials. Will get some pics up.
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