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1925 JD Spoker D (Fully Restored) Just Blew its BlocK. Need Help


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Old 08-03-2016, 01:20:12 AM
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Default 1925 JD Spoker D (Fully Restored) Just Blew its BlocK. Need Help

So, I just got the call from my cousin tonight. They were getting the tractors ready for the fair in Ohio that we attend when they discovered the nightmare.
(I dont have pics yet. But i will have them tomorrow.)
They walked over to the 1925 Spoker "D" to find a large split from the crankcase to the head. They just finished restoring it last year and only ran it once. So we are in the hunt i guess for a block and head for a 1920's JD "D"

Does anyone know what blocks are interchangeable or span of years that the "D's" used the same Block?????. I know they made a couple versions of the D over the years so I'm not sure. I would like to get it back to near as original as i can get it.

Any info is helpful.
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Default Re: 1925 JD Spoker D (Fully Restored) Just Blew its BlocK. Need Help

the block for your d is a d2r part number. and the easy way to identify it is the water manifold on top of block it bolted on with 2 bolts, ie 2 bolt water manifold. that block it certainly getting tougher to find. so for starters, does it currently have the correct block or not. secondly the next generation d from 1928 and newer went to 6.75 inch pistons. several old d tractors with keyed crankshafts have had the newer block installed, and then run the "4 bolt water manifold", newer dltx3 carb and newer air cleaner... the newer block still used the same head....

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sorry to hear about the crack, that sucks
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Default Re: 1925 JD Spoker D (Fully Restored) Just Blew its BlocK. Need Help

Is the crack only in the water jacket?
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Old 08-03-2016, 06:31:58 PM
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Default Re: 1925 JD Spoker D (Fully Restored) Just Blew its BlocK. Need Help

If it is just the water jacket then have it metal stitched.
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So I was finally able to get over there to get a better look at it today in the daylight...you guys tell me your thoughts?? I could braze it probably wouldn't look to good..... would anyone know where a block is sitting that would like a new home?
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Default Re: 1925 JD Spoker D (Fully Restored) Just Blew its BlocK. Need Help

Looks like a "hard water" problem. ..may be cracks in places you can't see, like the head. The best pulling D I ever saw was ruined by the same problem, block and head were both broken beyond saving. ..Sorry to see that. ..
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Default Re: 1925 JD Spoker D (Fully Restored) Just Blew its BlocK. Need Help

That is the earlier 2 hole block need to pull apart and look at cylinders inside where they are closest together. I would save it if possible not going to be cheap either way. Head is more than likely cracked. Head not so hard to find I know of two near me. Also check out the radiator closely. Good luck.
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Default Re: 1925 JD Spoker D (Fully Restored) Just Blew its BlocK. Need Help

Looks like ice. Sorry to hear that.

Apparently the issue with cracked engines from not draining the water from years ago......is still alive & well today.

Can't understand why people don't charge the cooling system with anti-freeze then forget about it.

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Old 08-05-2016, 05:38:19 PM
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Default Re: 1925 JD Spoker D (Fully Restored) Just Blew its BlocK. Need Help

Like Bill Hazard said, looks like a perfect job for stitching. Be sure to keep all the parts and they can be put back in place. Frank Casey does a great job of this, take it off, ship it to home, and you'll get it back and once painted, you will never know it happened other than your wallet will be a little lighter! The blocks are dated so if you can save it, it would be the best as it is hard to find a dated block to match your tractor.
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Default Re: 1925 JD Spoker D (Fully Restored) Just Blew its BlocK. Need Help

I didn't know they were date stamped....yea this is an all original 1925 spoke D. So I guess it would be best to try and save the block. You wouldn't happen to have Frank Casey contact info???
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Default Re: 1925 JD Spoker D (Fully Restored) Just Blew its BlocK. Need Help

I have never seen a date code on any of the 2 bolt / 6.50 bore blocks . I think somewhere in 1927 they started putting date codes on the heads and case and front axel bar. Your 1925 should not have a date code anywhere. I have 2 extra 2 bolt 6.50 blocks i will let one go they both came of 1927 running tractors no date codes on them. They would be the later versions of the 2 bolt block. If i had to guess they made 4 I say this because i have 4 .
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Default Re: 1925 JD Spoker D (Fully Restored) Just Blew its BlocK. Need Help

Sad situation!
Water freezes at the top because it expands and is lighter. Water is most dense and shrinks and goes to the bottom at +4 degrees C. The ice at the top seals the vessel but does not usually cause the damage. As the dense 4 deg C liquid water cools, it expands and breaks something usually in the lower part of the vessel. A bucket will bulge the bottom and the pressure will crack the top ice and leave the high spot where it froze on top of the first ice. Plumbers will freeze two points on a pipe to block flow and work on the trouble area in between. The actual spot freezing does not break the pipe.
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Default Re: 1925 JD Spoker D (Fully Restored) Just Blew its BlocK. Need Help

Frank Casey, Millbury, MA. I believe his ph number is on another post regarding this. As far as dates on the castings, on the GP there is a tag on the underside of the block, and also on the finals for the casting date. There may not be on the D but thought there was for at least some of the series, I might be wrong though. I think if you have pistons fitted to the block and can be stitched, may be least cost, if you can get another block and the pistons fit, great. I'd sure try to keep the block as close to the correct one as possible if you have a choice.
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Default Re: 1925 JD Spoker D (Fully Restored) Just Blew its BlocK. Need Help

The most notable difference in the early to the later two hole water outlet block is the spark plug hole and the compression release hole are inline on the early one (like yours is)and not inline on the later block. Same part no.
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Frank Casey
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Millbury, MA 01527
Tel: 1-508-865-6613

As Bart and Bill advised, there is no better way to fix that block. It won't be cheap...however you WON'T be able to tell once Frank has worked his magic.
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Default Re: 1925 JD Spoker D (Fully Restored) Just Blew its BlocK. Need Help

As Dan said, check between the cylinders first. If there is also a crack there, it will affect piston, conrod and crank alignment, as well as leakage. if that is the case, your only choice may be replacement.
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Default Re: 1925 JD Spoker D (Fully Restored) Just Blew its BlocK. Need Help

Not sure you can stitch a displaced part like that.
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Default Re: 1925 JD Spoker D (Fully Restored) Just Blew its BlocK. Need Help

you can stitch that piece back in or knock it out and fit a patch back in, piece of cake. not cheap but totally fixable.
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Found this.

http://www.locknstitch.com/index.html
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Default Re: 1925 JD Spoker D (Fully Restored) Just Blew its BlocK. Need Help

Hmmm. Tough go for 6.5" Ds this year.

My 1927 did the same thing over the winter - though mine was drained so we're not sure why it happened.

Mine is in a U shape and not up against the water pipe flange or anything. It's just a matter of finding the time to tear it down and take a better look at how bad it is.
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