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Double Cylinder Rear Mounted Nichols & Shepard Steam Engines... how many are left?


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Default Double Cylinder Rear Mounted Nichols & Shepard Steam Engines... how many are left?

Dear Stackers,

I was visiting with a friend of mine the other day and we were trying to determine how many of the rear mtd. Nick engines are left. Mainly we were discussing the 20/75's & 25/85 & or 90's. Thanks.

I have a 20/75 rear mtd. engine #13800

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Default Re: Dbl. Cyl. Rear Mtd. Nick's...how many are left?

Our family has a 20/75 rear mount butt strap was one of the later ones...

Another used to be at Newton Illinois a 20/75 rear mount lap seam.

I have found out the hard way the most of the weight is on the rear drivers... these engines would make great machines for tractor pulls... but trying to steer while plowing can be a real challenge. But who can't use a challenge !
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Old 10-10-2007, 10:57:32 AM
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Default Re: Dbl. Cyl. Rear Mtd. Nick's...how many are left?

Theres 2 20-75's in Running condition at the Manitoba Ag Museum(Austin)
thers a 16-60 thats been for sale north west of Winnipeg Manitoba.
I remember a 25-85 at Western developement museum (Saskatoon) and im sure WDM has more.
and how many did we figure were at New Rockford?
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Default Re: Dbl. Cyl. Rear Mtd. Nick's...how many are left?

Lawrence,
I know there's two 20-75's in OK...Dale Wolff has one, and Bob Marrs has another. I think you're pretty well acquainted with Bob's, aren't you?
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Default Re: Dbl. Cyl. Rear Mtd. Nick's...how many are left?

Mike,

Yes, I am. The ol' girl sure was fun to play with. It sort of gets my whistle wet about getting mine up and running. Just need to quit chasing iron for awhile and start workin on some!

Colin, There is the 25/85 dbl. cyl. rear mtd engine at New Rockford that belongs to Ole Askalson and the 25/90 dbl. cyl. rear mtd. engine that belongs to John Tysse Jr. I'm not aware of any other rear mtd. Nick's in N.D. though. I would hope/suspect that there are, but that is why I asked the question.

There is a 20/75 dbl. cyl. rear mtd. Nick down by Mt. Pleasant. I met the young fella that owns it, he was operating the 16/60 dbl. cyl. rear mtd. Nick at Mt. Pleasant this year. He works on the border patrol down in Texas, I believe. James I think was his name. I don't recall his last name. Maybe John and Dalene Deck do, as the 16/60 Nick was parked on the other side of their 60hp Case. There is also a 20/75 dbl. cyl. rear mtd. Nick sitting in the park located in the middle of town. It has near perfect gearing. I've heard tell that others have tried to trade for the gearing, as I would like to do the same, but the city isn't interested in doing such a trade. Too bad, as it is a display model. The boiler, I believe, is a butt-strap but the firebox is a wee bit breezy in spots. The motor looks pretty complete. Sure would be nice to get some of the parts for my engine. But like I said, I've heard the city isn't incline to let anything go from her.

There is another 20/75 dbl. Cyl. rear mtd. Nick up in northern Minnesota area. I have seen photos of it, but my understanding is that the fella passed away and the wife won't or isn't interested in letting it go, as they want their children/grandchildren to have the engine. Once again, it is suppose to be complete with good gearing. I suspect at some point and time that engine will come for sale...but that is hard to say.

Doesn't the Wade Brothers collection have a 20/75 dbl. cyl. rear mtd. Nick in that collection? Are there any other 20/75 dbl. cyl. rear mtd Nick's in Wisconsin. Didn't one just recently get sold on a sale over there. I recall reading about it anyway.

As for the 25/85 or 90's, it seems like there is only a handful...possibly only five of them left. These are the one's I would really like to know about. But it is nice to know about the 20/75's also.

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Lawrence
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Default Re: Dbl. Cyl. Rear Mtd. Nick's...how many are left?

I have this one marked in my gallery as a 25-90. It is shown when owned by the late Oscar O. Cooke, near Billings, Montana. Does anyone know where it went from Oscar's Dreamland?
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In Wolford ND there's a 25 NS owned by the griilley family of minot
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Default Re: Dbl. Cyl. Rear Mtd. Nick's...how many are left?

Lawrence, Wades collection does have at least one, I think there might be two. One is setting at Rock River right now waiting to go back to the farm for the winter. I will stop by tomorrow and get a photo of it. Chuck would know for sure. If he sees this maybe he will tell us.
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I have this one marked in my gallery as a 25-90. It is shown when owned by the late Oscar O. Cooke, near Billings, Montana. Does anyone know where it went from Oscar's Dreamland?
Gary
Gary,

If you compare this engine to either John Tysee Jr.'s or Ole's....I would guess that it is more likely a 20/75 engine. It just doesn't have the size that is typically noted with the 25 hp series rear mtd engines. I could be wrong, but that is my guess.

I bumped the NewRockford thread, as I didn't really know how to copy the location so everyone can see the comparison of Ole's 25/85 dbl. cyl. rear mtd. Nick to this believed to be 20/75 dbl. cyl. rear mtd. engine.

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Default Re: Dbl. Cyl. Rear Mtd. Nick's...how many are left?

Lawrence, I agree!
thanks,
Gary
P.S. Thanks for sending me that Mike McKnight banjo link! That guy is fantastic on that thing!
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I have this one marked in my gallery as a 25-90. It is shown when owned by the late Oscar O. Cooke, near Billings, Montana. Does anyone know where it went from Oscar's Dreamland?
Gary
This engine was marked 25-85 on the steamchest if my memory isn't gone. I was the next to winning bidder on it.

The new owner had run the engine before. He intended to drive it the 15 miles home.

Adding: I got home from work and got out the sale catalog. it is listed as a 20-75. Well the mind is the first to go?

I do remember it was about 10ft wide, I was thinking about the costs of overwidth permits to get it home.

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Default Re: Dbl. Cyl. Rear Mtd. Nick's...how many are left?

Their is one at highland Ill that is 20/75 that is Norb Hohrein.
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Default Re: Dbl. Cyl. Rear Mtd. Nick's...how many are left?

Here's the link to the Richland Co thread showing my brother's 20 hp rear mount. There is also a link for the clip of it pulling the fan.

http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showth...t=40046&page=2

Here's the link to the BD's photo of it on our double drop, folding gooseneck lowboy. Hey Andy, please note that there are different designs. Ours folds like a stationary gooseneck & others remain at an angle. The difference is in the pins.



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Here is a catalog scan of a Nichols and Shepard DS rear mount engine.

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Default Re: Dbl. Cyl. Rear Mtd. Nick's...how many are left?

Thanks Mark for the catalog shot. Here's a link to your shot of the side mount 20/70......and the perpetual question from those who have Nichols & Shepard catalogs (I do not have one): Are these actually 20/70 or 20/75? What do the catalogs say?

Rol & I looked at his this afternoon and the number is not cast into the cylinder heads or steam chest (we took the fancy covers off to make sure).

http://www.smokstak.com/gallery/show...hp?i=4211&c=79

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If you all look at my u-tube site can see the N&S in action TOO---enjoy
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Beth,

The catalog that I have denotes the 20HP as 20-70, but only lists the single side mount.

The 20-70 single shows an 8 1/2" bore and stroke of 12".

The catalog I have only shows the double, rear mount plowing engine is 16-60 and 25-90. No mention of a 20-70 or 20-75 double cylinder rear mount. Probably the wrong year catalog. Sorry.


The 16-60 double rear mount specs. in my catalog are:

6 1/4" bores x 10" stroke
29" boiler dia.
152" boiler length
45" x 25" x 40" fire box
40 - 2" flues 79" long
64" x 20" drivers


The 25-90 double rear mount specs. are:

7" bores x 10" stroke
36" boiler diameter
173" boiler length
51" x 31" x 51" fire box
45 - 2 1/2" flues x 94" long
73" x28" drivers

Hope this helps.

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Thanks Mark for the catalog shot. Here's a link to your shot of the side mount 20/70......and the perpetual question from those who have Nichols & Shepard catalogs (I do not have one): Are these actually 20/70 or 20/75? What do the catalogs say?

Rol & I looked at his this afternoon and the number is not cast into the cylinder heads or steam chest (we took the fancy covers off to make sure).

http://www.smokstak.com/gallery/show...hp?i=4211&c=79

Beth
Beth,
And to confuse the issue, my old side double mounted and Carl Mehmke's double side mounted both had "20-70" cast into the steam chest covers. I'm pretty sure, the double rear mounted engines were 20-75s, but only an assumption... and you know what assume can do to us.
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Default Re: Dbl. Cyl. Rear Mtd. Nick's...how many are left?

Yes, Gary, very much so---which is why I am looking for catalog information so we can clarify the matter. Rol's doesn't have it cast anywhere we could locate.

Hmmm, so do we "assume" that when making the rear mount double, NS thought the horse power increased by 5? ..that is a question.

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After a couple hours of reading I have a time line that might clear up some of these questions. All of my info is directly from N & S co. sales lit. from 1914 thru 1924 . The first reference to a double cyl. rear mount engine is in 1914 and it is the 25-85 contractor special with the worm type steering. Then in 1916 there is a listing for a 20-70 and the 25-85 engines. Then in 1917 that list also adds the 16-60 but changes the 20-70 to a 20-75 and the 25-85. The next change is in 1920 when the 25-85 becomes a 25-90 this is the same until 1923 when the 20-75 is omitted and the list is only the 16-60 and the 25-90 . Hope this helps shed some light, sounds to me like everyone is right over the course the production of these.

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