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Old 12-24-2010, 10:37:17 AM
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I want to thank everybody that has provided info to my question.

This auction will be held Monday the 27th at an auction center in St. Paul, MN. It is listed as a "Fine Art and Antique Sale" The engines that are being sold are not at the auction center, and are not available for viewing, so they will be sold by picture or video. There are 4 engines on the sheet, the 4th is a 4 cylinder car engine missing parts and I am not very interested in it. I was also not really to interested in the Wisconsin, but it sure did generate some discussion.

I think that since the auction is this close to Christmas, and the engines are not "on site" that the prices may stay on the low side. If I go I am probably going to bid on the FM and the Herc. I will let you all know what happens.
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Old 12-24-2010, 11:13:37 AM
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Zira

When received from Wisconsin even the electric start engines came with the hand crank and the nut with the cross pin for hand starting.

Some equipment manufacturers like Tennant Street Sweepers removed the flywheel nut and installed a flat nut with a plug in the hole in the air screen. Most of these were installed in equipment that didn’t provide access to the front of the engine.

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Old 12-24-2010, 07:04:48 PM
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When Ditch Witch used to use the AGND, it was rope start. It was usually safer to just turn the rope sheave to start it. At one time, DW was Wisconsin's largest customer.
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Old 12-25-2010, 01:17:02 AM
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I have been starting the Wisconsin engines for 55 years.

The AGN at best would be very hard to rope start. 40 years ago I saw an AEN rip tendons in a large mans hand when rope pulling a start. I knew him until he passed away 2 years ago and he still could not pickup a cup of coffee with his right hand.

Wisconsin never produced the AGN with a rope start on it.

Wisconsin did produce the large hours power short stroke “S” series engines with rope start but they had a compression release built into the camshaft.

The Ditch Witch dealer located within a mile of our shop purchased fair quantities of AEN, “S” series and 2 cylinder parts and some 4-cylinder parts but I never sold any AGN parts to them.

We were a Wisconsin dealer only. We did not work on any other engines at that shop. We would not even remove & install engines in complex equipment like the ditchers, street sweepers, etc. I had stopped working at that shop and my brother had taken my place after Wisconsin had stopped production of the AGN. We sold the business just 6 months before Wisconsin declared bankruptcy.

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Old 12-25-2010, 09:10:30 PM
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The AGND with rope start was used on the DW M4-22 trencher, which was built in the 1960's and '70's. The problem with using a rope is that the knot would come out of the sheave, and hit you in the head. It was easier to start the engine just by choking it once and turning it through compression.

I did that once at a DW sales school at the factory in 1980, and was promptly chastised for doing something that was "dangerous".
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Old 12-25-2010, 10:19:45 PM
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I want to thank everybody that has provided info to my question.

This auction will be held Monday the 27th at an auction center in St. Paul, MN. It is listed as a "Fine Art and Antique Sale" The engines that are being sold are not at the auction center, and are not available for viewing, so they will be sold by picture or video. There are 4 engines on the sheet, the 4th is a 4 cylinder car engine missing parts and I am not very interested in it. I was also not really to interested in the Wisconsin, but it sure did generate some discussion.

I think that since the auction is this close to Christmas, and the engines are not "on site" that the prices may stay on the low side. If I go I am probably going to bid on the FM and the Herc. I will let you all know what happens.
Don't forget to add in the 15% buyers premium and the 7% sales tax.
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Old 12-26-2010, 05:02:48 AM
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I stand by my statement. Wisconsin didn’t produce the AGN with rope start.

I pulled up a picture of the M4-22 ditcher.

Two things are apparent.

First the unit would not be usable in the type of sandy soil we have in this area this probably accounts for the lack of our local dealer having any.

Second the rope pulley on the engine is not a Wisconsin part.

I also found pictures of the M4-22 without the rope pulley start.

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As far as picture 3 goes, if it is an Economy, Jaeger, Hercules. arco, or whatever you want to call it, they are all for the most part the same engine and value is the same on that style with any of the names. So I guess for the reasons that this post was made I am not sure it really makes a difference. ??
The title of the post is "Three engines, what are they?". Matt
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The title of the post is "Three engines, what are they?". Matt
Yes I can read. Again, they are all pretty much the same engine that is what I am getting at! you can pretty much change the paint color and that will change the name. That's all I am saying
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The engines that I asked about on my initial post finished up as follows.

Engine 1, Fairbanks Morse Z Style D with Pump. $275.00
Engine 2, Wisconson $17.50
Engine 3, Hercules $300.00
Engine 4, 4 Cylinder Car engine $17.50

I was not able to attend the auction, so none of them are at home with me.
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Thanks for posting the selling prices. The Hercules is a Steal! Somebody got a good deal on it. I think the Fairbanks is a little overpriced even with an original pump especially when you compare it to the Herc. The Wisconsin was a good deal also but then again that would be a lot of weight & space on a show trailer but still a good deal I guess!
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The engines that I asked about on my initial post finished up as follows.

Engine 1, Fairbanks Morse Z Style D with Pump. $275.00
Engine 2, Wisconson $17.50
Engine 3, Hercules $300.00
Engine 4, 4 Cylinder Car engine $17.50

I was not able to attend the auction, so none of them are at home with me.
I wasn't able to get there either but the prices sure look good. But like I posted earlier, you have to add on 15% buyers premium and 7% sales tax so that adds quite a bit.
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Old 12-28-2010, 02:20:26 PM
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Glad I diden't Go. I went up north to look at some engines instead and ended up buying 7 IH engines.
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PhilP, here are some photos of the M422 with the rope start AGND engine. They are taken from 1973 DW literature that I still have. Note that on the M4 with the AENLD engine, the carb. and tank would face the operator.

Could it be that this was a DW exclusive option?
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Correction to previous post. "Tank" should be "muffler".
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Glad I diden't Go. I went up north to look at some engines instead and ended up buying 7 IH engines.
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PhilP, here are some photos of the M422 with the rope start AGND engine. They are taken from 1973 DW literature that I still have. Note that on the M4 with the AENLD engine, the carb. and tank would face the operator.

Could it be that this was a DW exclusive option?
Hi

The rope start pulley in those pictures is not a Wisconsin part. The manufacturer of the machine added that part.

As you previously stated about the rope hitting you in the face I suspect the pictures I found of the same machine with the crank pin for the crank handle was the result of people getting hurt pulling the rope.

If the AENL which is smaller can damage a mans had by pulling the rope out of his fingers then think about the damage the AGN could do considering what a monster it is.

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