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The World’s First Caterpillar Track 1908


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Old 06-13-2012, 02:32:45 PM
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Default The World’s First Caterpillar Track 1908

Have looked inside the Smokstak search machine but can not find the next video.

It’s to nice for not to post.

Ok an very intresting very old movie about one of the most early Catterpillar’s.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TGgL...eature=related

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Here is another one.

Also very intresting and not been on lugs, cleats and tracks.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Zln...eature=related
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Default Re: The World’s First Caterpillar Track 1908

Yes, Thats an interesting Hornsby Crawler but it isn't the first successful crawler tractor.

Alvin Lombards machine patented in Nov. of 1900 holds that claim to fame.

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In fact in the second video you will see a 20 ton steam Lombard in action.
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Default Re: The World’s First Caterpillar Track 1908

Gentlemen please check out Holt Manufacturing Company based in Stockton California. They are credited with the first continous track "Caterpiller" type drive. In fact they changed their name to Holt Caterpiller the birth place of our modern Caterpiller tractor company
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Default Re: The World’s First Caterpillar Track 1908

Thanks for interesting post. First video shows a good view of Hornsby type track. We know Hornsby and Lombard preceded Holt and Holt bought the track rights from the UK company, Hornsby, I believe. Second video says Holt & Best merged in 1908. I thought it was 1926.
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I believe they are refering to the first arrangement that Benjamin Holt made with the elder Daniel Best. The merger in 1926 was the final arangement to form the Caterpillar Co and was arranged betweem Ben holt's successor, Pliney Holt, Leo Best, Daniel's son and the bankers. I think Murray Baker worked out the deal to end the intense rivaly between the two firms once and for all. F.J.W.
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Hcrawler ...

Hornsby Chain track steam crawler or its earlier brother are the first real crawler tractors ... most if not all other machines are actually half track units not a crawler steerable by its own two track by them selves ...
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Default Re: The World’s First Caterpillar Track 1908

Thanks guys,

Well i dit not have study the story above the video.

Only have post the tittle of the video tru to Smokstak.
The most intresting to me where the horses and the WW1 tank model track crawler.
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Default Re: The World’s First Caterpillar Track 1908

Holt did not own the right to Lombards machine but copied it.
Best purchased the rights which proved to be the first track type tractor.

Ed Classens Book Making Tracks does a very good job of explaining the history between Holt and Best. It is very detailed with lots of information and great pictures.

to purchase: http://www.acmoc.org/store/p361/Maki...duct_info.html

info: http://www.makingtracksbook.com/
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Old Ben Holt was like many of his fellow mfg barons of the time, he did pretty much what he pleased and to heck with rules. He had problems with the traction and flotation of his steam harvestors in the wet bottom lands and sought a solution, he was aware of lombards machine and went to the woods to check it out. He returned to his works and implemented them on his machine, but he didn't bother about getting patent rights from Alvin Lombard, he did eventualy get the rights from the Brittish firm for their design but it was a different design and the lombard people still had the rights here in the US. In the earlier buy out of Dan Best, Holt eliminated his only real competitor in the Harvester and Steam traction market out west. In the deal he agreed to havs Dan's son CL Best in the management of Holt co. After the deal, CL got pushed aside , well he had enough and reopened his fathers old plant and went to work. He saw the need to get the rights from Lombard and did so, Alvin was fed up with holt and readily signed them over to CL Best. Then for years there followed constant legal battles with the Holts until the passing of Ben Holt, Then enter the merger to form Catterpillar. After the merger most of the Best models remained as they were the more practical to manufacture. This is just a general overview. as stated above it is a very complex history well worth the time to study. F.J.W.
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I thought this might be of interest. Here is a defendents exhibit from the Holt V. Best equity suit.

Last month I spent the better part of a day looking through the depositions of the counter suit filed by Best. To help boister his position Best did indeed purchased rights to the Lombard patents.

The photo is the track system of a Steam Lombard sold on October 25, 1905 to the Western Lumber Co. of Lothrop, MT.
and played a prominent role in the Holt, Best, Lombard equity suits.

This machine was one of five built to Lombard's 1905 patent. Later machines reverted to a heavily revised roller chain system.

Interestingly machines built under license by Phoenix used the early roller chain system for the duration of production.



Yes, Hornsby developed the first practical full track steering system but it was not the first "Crawler" by any stretch of the imagination.
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