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Old 09-01-2016, 07:46:54 PM
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my first crawler, it was first used as a town sidewalk snow plow then to backfill a few foundations.
it then sat in a garage for many years until it was purchased by the fellow i bought it from and moved to its present location as seen in the photo.
i plan on moving it soon to my place and restore it mechanically.
by the serial number it was built in 1946 and has the hercules 1XK3 engine.
i may need some advise once i start to dig in.
the previous owner says the machine ran 5 years ago and i believe him but i am also using caution before i attempt to crank it over.
its an open shed and theres evidence of condensation and rust when i look in the spark plug holes.
i pored marvel mystery oil in each plug hole and will wait a few days before i a try to turn the engine by hand.
i cleaned the carb last night and cleaned the points this morning.
the oil in the crankcase is low on the stick and dirty-stinky so should i just drain and fill for now or take the pan down and clean the screen pump area before first start.
sorry to be long winded but i am stoked up about this crawler and getting it running again.
Dan
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Dear Dan Looks like a keeper. Assume you know that every part you could ever need for this is available from Landis Zimmerman in PA. I have 5 of them in my collection and if you need anything feel free to get in touch since I am just down the road. They are the best little crawler built during this period. I have had a working loader for over 30 years and you can look it up here under "Bullet Proof OC3" Have fun Ed B
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Assume you know that every part you could ever need for this is available from Landis Zimmerman in PA.
Do they have parts for the straight Cletrac's too or just the Oliver Cletrac.

One coming up on auction this weekend that needs some engine parts.


Missing the head, oil pan, mag & mag bracket, fan, and maybe a couple/few other parts, plus has a hole in the exhaust manifold.

Thinking maybe a complete engine might be cheaper than sourcing the missing parts. It is a Hercules engine.

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Otto. Did you look inside the Hercules in the Cletrac? Hercules were not known to be wet sleeve engines.
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thanks for the kind words Ed, i will post my progress or regress as i continue work on the crawler.
Dan
ps i read your bullet proof post, nice work and i love that bright yellow paint job.
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Otto. Did you look inside the Hercules in the Cletrac? Hercules were not known to be wet sleeve engines.
No I didn't. . . I will be heading up there later today to show some of the stuff to a friend before the auction tomorrow.

I'll take a closer look at it. Maybe the pistons and sleeves they found and said were for it were for something else ???

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Updated my other thread with the info on the pistons & sleeves after being prompted to take a closer look. The ones they found and thought were for the Cletrac are a good 3/8ths bigger bore with HUGE bearings. . . Definitely NOT for the Cletrac.

Thanks for the heads-up on the wet/dry sleeves John.

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Dear Otto The tractor appears to be an unstyled AG which is powered with an OOC Hercules a popular engine I n several tractors including MHGP 4WD. Parts are available but not plentiful.
Landis has parts for many Cletrac and Oliver Crawlers and has a couple hundred out back in his yard. Give him a call 1-717-738-2573 and see what he has. Be sure to tell him "The Yankee" sent you. Ed B
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Thanks.

I'm printing that out and will pass it along at the auction.

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Otto: Somewhere on here I saw a picture of the serial number tag. It is a model E and a very early one. It is also a 31 inch gauge which would make it a fairly rare model. The styled model E came out in the later 30's and the model E was dropped early in the 40's due to the fact cletrac production was needed for Military Cletracs + The government needed OOC engines so the model A received a 226 F model continental. More questions e-mail me.
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i had a few minutes thursday to go across town to work on the crawler.
i ordered new plugs and an oil filter which should be in by next friday but in the meantime i plan to clean the old spark plugs and change the oil but not the filter before what i hope will be first start up some time this coming week .
i will change the oil again with new filter once i have taken down the pan and cleaned it.
hopefully the oil pressure is somewhere near spec.
i will need to fill the radiator as it is dry.
the PO mentioned that it leaked so i will bring a big jug of water with me .
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Otto: Somewhere on here I saw a picture of the serial number tag. It is a model E and a very early one. It is also a 31 inch gauge which would make it a fairly rare model. The styled model E came out in the later 30's and the model E was dropped early in the 40's due to the fact cletrac production was needed for Military Cletracs + The government needed OOC engines so the model A received a 226 F model continental. More questions e-mail me.
Thanks.

Don't know if the new owner will contact you or Landis for parts and/or info or not. . .

Scrap Yard owner got it for $1,000.00 and a LOT of the other tractors in the $200.00 to $400.00 range plus the D4 Cat for $550.00

Somebody told me that he said it wouldn't be going for scrap and that he has his daughter sell a lot of stuff on Craigslist so maybe it will be saved.

Time will tell.

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update;
tried to start Oliver (thats his name), we had spark, fuel, fresh battery, strong starter, water in the block but no compression in the front and back cylinders.
stuck valves, oh well, i was planning to lap them anyways and clean out the carbon and rust build up.
note to self, check compression first before attempting to start an engine that has been setting in a damp environment.
we were planning to drive it onto the trailer to bring to my place but will roll it up instead.
OFF WITH HIS HEAD will be the first order of business at the shop.
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upon further investigation we find that rodents have stuffed the exhaust manifold with acorns !!
i hates meeses to pieces
the cylinders look excellent as do the pistons but the valves are rusty so they will be cleaned up on a friends valve grinder.
the valve seats will be ground also.
we brought the radiator to be rebuilt, it needs a new bottom pan and core... OUCH$$$.
drove up to the Dublin show Sat. (my favorite show) and bought some cloth covered wire and rubber spark plug boots and other bits and pieces for Oliver.
more to come
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Bad Boy I think I have a useable radiator in my stuff. I will be home from my Midwest trip [3500 miles] around 23rd. Send me a PM and I will get back when I get home. Ed B
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thanks for the offer Ed, i had already given the radiator guy the go ahead before you posted.
when you get back could you take a look in your spare parts and see if you have a front grill, i need one as mine is missing.
i am thinking about adding a loader assembly to oliver as it would make it much more useful to me .
i will be attempting first start up Wednesday morning and will post photos and a progress report then.
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Dan Your best bet for a grill is a repop from Landis. They are a bit different but look fine when in place. If you are able to find a loader you will not need a grill since the loader uses a Heavy duty grill guard to cover the front Hydraulic pump. I have a loader but it would need a complete rebuild, piping, hoses etc. Get back since I am home now from Rollag Trip. Ed B
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first start up;
the good, bad and the ugly

had everything set to go this morning, pulled the choke wire, hit the starter button and the oliver roughly started then faltered.
tried again and it started and ran quite smooth to my surprise.
i varied the throttle for a few minutes with a trickle of water running out of the rubber hose rig in the photo.
i had a garden hose supplying a very slow stream of water through a 3/8" pipe opening at the drain petcock at the bottom of the block.
the head got hot to the touch so i shut it off and let it cool down so i could re-torque.
now i am having trouble starting it, the carb seems to be flooding which i will look into later and i suspect a weak mag.
out of curiosity i pulled all the plugs out and gave the old thumb test for compression.
when i tested number one cylinder i got a spray of moisture and the plug is fouled and wet.
i have a bad feeling about this and hope i didn't screw up the head or block by my halfassed cooling system.
i haven't yet pulled the head... what should i look for when i do.
depressed Dan
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The little IXB's are pretty tough old engines so I doubt you did any damage. Could have a bad head gasket or carb problem or weak spark etc. Check everything carefully once the head is back off. Good Luck Ed B
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well.... i pulled of the head and found about an eighth of an inch of water in the number 1 cylinder bore, the other three look fine.
i looked carefully for cracks, holes and deep scratches and could not find any.
the new head gasket looks good, i used new head bolts.
i am thinking that i should have used a thread sealer for the bolts as they do project into the water jacket.
i have a fresh tube of permatex #2 and will have another go at this later today.
i will also use copper coat on both sides of the gasket.
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