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Sad day in old iron land


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Old 01-19-2005, 05:42:45 PM
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Default Sad day in old iron land

Today a good friend of mine took a load of scrap iron to the junk yard. To his dismay two very large engines were being destroyed, one was a 10 or 12 hp Witte and the other he could not find a name. All of us need to call our local scrap yards or better go and visit with them and tell them these things need not go for scrap, ask them to call you and you will pick them up and pay the going rate or more. These two engines probably brought $100.00 or less and they are gone forever. Scrap is at a very high price compared to a few years ago and yards and lots are being cleaned up. Make a call today or stop and see your local scrap dealer, please.
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I guess the guy could have done his best to get some parts or told them to stop and let him take parts off.I have done this before with no problems as long as we are paying they will let you strip whatever you want.I was at the scrap yard a few years ago and there were scraping a old plane.I have a uncle who is a big plane nut.I got the old style steering wheel and pedestal from the plane for 15 bucks scrap price.My uncle wanted it so bad i told him it would cost him the ZD that he had.He gave it up in a heartbeat.And we are both happy. Dale
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Old 01-19-2005, 07:35:10 PM
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I'm the guy who was at the scrap yard. My good friend and fellow "Gear Head" Gene was right. I have a steel fab company and decided to take the scrap trailer to the yard today and as I was taking the tarp cover off I looked up and saw two engines being cut on. I walked the 100 or so feet over to take a closer look and was sad to see that they had already cut and broke the heads and cases into about 4 pieces and the crank shafts were cut in several places to remove the flywheels. I was so taken back by the fact that engines were there that I didn't even think about salvaging the flywheels (I'll go back there tomorrow). I did leave my name and number at the front office in case any more come in as I was told that it's not uncommon for flywheel engines to be scraped at this yard. This is a big yard and the chance of me getting a call is slight, but without my name the chance is none. The owner told me that I was the first person to ask to be called for engines. This is a large and busy scrap yard that has been there for at least 60 years, no telling how many engines or farm related items have been lost. If you are interested in saving old iron do call your local yards and let them know you want to rescue these engines.

One engine was a Witte around 10 or 12hp, the other was big, I'm not sure of the maker but the bore was about 10" and the flywheels around 54".
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Old 01-19-2005, 11:26:01 PM
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There are alot of engines that get busted up at the scrap yards. I saved 3 engines just last year from scrap yards. A BD Tillinghast 1\2 breed, 25hp Superior, and a fairbanks ZC 346. The Fairbanks was running 30 minutes after I got it home. It really is amazing what people throw away. There was a Ajax engine there at the time I got the Fairbanks. It was only the flywheel,crankcase, and cylinder which had some really bad freeze cracks. I had to stay there long enough to see it busted into 100 pieces within seconds. Those huge hyd sheers make easy work of simply pinching those flywheels like butter. It kinda gave my stomach a sour feeling, something that only other engine nuts can understand . Doug
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Old 01-19-2005, 11:45:40 PM
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I wouldn't have been able to look!

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Please stop!!! Argg, this makes my stomach hurt...all those engines. Oh how I wish they were more common here. Makes me sick to know that american iron is sent off to that commie pinko land known as china to return as some piece over priced C*** that I will not buy! So long as I am complaning: Levis jeans! 100+ years in the U.S. just to send them of where they can be made cheap, both in quality and price.. Thanks to a fellow engine nut I now Proudly buy Pointer brand jeans...quality that surpasses levis when they were american!

off o my soap box... But I will say it again, my stomach hurts

Mac Leod
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Old 01-20-2005, 01:43:33 AM
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Its just plain ignorance and stupidity. Furthermore, no decent scrapmonger worth his greasey overalls would let money slip through his fingers like that, even if he didn't give a hoot about the engines; but now we're back to my first sentence.
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Old 01-20-2005, 08:40:01 AM
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Please stop!!! Argg, this makes my stomach hurt...all those engines. Oh how I wish they were more common here. Makes me sick to know that american iron is sent off to that commie pinko land known as china to return as some piece over priced C*** that I will not buy! So long as I am complaning: Levis jeans! 100+ years in the U.S. just to send them of where they can be made cheap, both in quality and price.. Thanks to a fellow engine nut I now Proudly buy Pointer brand jeans...quality that surpasses levis when they were american!

off o my soap box... But I will say it again, my stomach hurts

Mac Leod
I also have seen some amazing things go through the local scrap yard and just cannot believe it! Now a little O.T. but who carries these Pointer brand jeans? I've never heard of them and I like to buy American to the point that I have become a pain in the #@! to the local merchants here in Ohio.
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I too have become a pain in the rear about buying american...my axe handle broke (handle/head were U.S. made) take it back to OSH and they offer a "fair exchange" (india made axe) I say no and fork over about 10 bucks for good ol' american hickory. asd to pointer brand, do not know where they are sold other than there web site. http://www.pointerbrand.com/ Nice helpful people on the phone

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An engine buddy and I saved three twin cylinder steam engines from the scrap yard back in November - nothing broken, but the brass tags were already gone. We had inquired about these engines over a year ago with the gentleman who owned an old industrial building here in the Pittsburgh area. He changed his mind and did not want to sell. Six months later there they were in a scrap yard near where I work. The scrap man didn't even know what they were and went on to tell us that he had already cut up at least 20 other engines and pumps out of this same lot. It is only by pure luck that we saved what we did, but it aggravates me that the other engines and pumps will return back to the US in the form of something with a "Made In China" sticker hidden on the back!!!

My wife's family and my own are nearly half afraid to buy anything for me for fear that I'll discover that evil sticker or stamp on some tool or another.

I was able to find out a little history on these engines (Lambert Hoisting Engine Company) and posted it on the Steam Forum.

Bruce in PA
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Old 01-20-2005, 11:08:42 AM
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I'd like to try and defend the scrap dealer. OR try, maybe put my foot in mouth, hope not.

I had the oportunity to vist Wash DC about 10 years ago and I made a side trip to West Virginia. While there I saw thousands, not ten, not hundereds but litterally thousands of 15-20 hp oil field engines. Some still running and more abandoned or derilick, but most were strewn about several big yards and one yard was a collection that numbered maybe a 100 engines. That was supposed to be a 'collection', all sitting uncoved. For all the engines I saw, when ever I spotted somethting nice in the 6-8hp range it was not for sale or not for sale to me. oh well. I meet up with an oil man, who showed me around. And I almost %$#$# my pants when some guy missing 1/2 his front teeth burst into a engine shed with a shovel in his hand. I wonder to this day, had I not been escorted what would have happended. No 911 there.

Well, today, maybe things have changed, since I now see folks asking 3,000 for 15hp oil field engines in Harrys. But at least at that time, the common 15-20hp derick stripped and rusted up engines had no collector value at all. zero.

So maybe the junkie is 10 years behind the times and does not understand the difference between a bessemer and witte? I dont think he is stupid though.

Actually, this sounds like a great "OPORTUNITY" to aquire engines. A real engine nut, would be snooping all over trying to find out where those engines came from. Greesing the palm of the workers in the yard and making once a week lunch time visits. Thats how I find enignes, not surfin the web. I get out and talk with these guys, maybe buy a lunch, make friends and show a little respect too.

Respect, thats the key, not calling (or even thinking) these guys stupid.
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Old 01-20-2005, 06:48:23 PM
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You can't really blame the scrap metal yard, they are in the business or breaking up, sorting, and reselling metal, not collecting engines. I have never seen a hit-n-miss at my local scrap yard, but my father did rescue a Stover CT-2 from one in the late 1970's. I have seen a LOT of useful/collectable stuff (I go once a week or so), much of it from commercial/industrial sources. To the scrap dealer, it is just material that he can sell for $X per ton. I vividly remember one time going with a friend who was a metal worker, when a Bridgeport mill came in. My friend told the manager that he should cover it to keep it dry. The manager's response: "I run a scrap yard, not a salvage yard. If you want it, its 11 cents a pound. Otherwise, shut the ____ up." It just isn't worth his time/effort to try to decide what is valuble & what isn't.
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I have a friend that goes at least once a week to his local yard and has saved more items than I can tell about. He is there almost daily at certain times of the year, and has made friends with most of the workers. My hat is off to him for his dedication to purchasing items from this yard even if he did not want them. He bought them to help the employees understand and set items to the side for his review and purchase when he returns next.

My father and I have purchased many items from him and I greatly appreciate his efforts made toward the hobby even though it is strictly for profit for him, I have ended up with many very nice items over the years.

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