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Old 05-13-2005, 02:29:47 PM
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On Wednesday I went to an auction sale advertising they had a IHC Vertical TITAN engine for sale. At least this is what the cast nameplate said. I went ahead and bought the engine. When I got home I removed the paint on the tag to get a good reading of the HP and the serial number to determine the year it was built. Unfortunately, I discovered that the tag is a reproduction and all the
entries are blank. Is there such a thing as an IHC vertical Titan? I was able to find a number 5919 stamped on the end of the crankshaft but no letters ahead of that number like K or KA. Can the year of manufacture be found from that number? Here are some pictures of this IHC vertical engine:
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This one is tagged as a Titan.

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Old 05-13-2005, 11:29:47 PM
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Allo Denis ,

Yes, there were IHC Titan verticals. I don't know if they used different part numbers though; that would help identify it for you, I would think. Also, have you looked real close at that sn# plate you have ? Not only does it look like a repro but it looks like it was a blank & the TITAN letters were added before casting ?? (The two T's look different & the letters look to be spaced oddly to me). Lastly, it appears you have two different flywheels on that engine...is the one on the governor side even an IHC flywheel ??? If it's a 2 hp, they should be 24" diameter with a 2 1/2 " face. All in all, it's still a nice engine to have around, I reckon .

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Default Re: IHC Vertical Engine.

Yes Denis,

If you aren't happy with the engine I"ll bet there are about a thousand guys that will be willing to take it off of your hands.

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Lastly, it appears you have two different flywheels on that engine...is the one on the governor side even an IHC flywheel ??? If it's a 2 hp, they should be 24" diameter with a 2 1/2 " face. All in all, it's still a nice engine to have around, I reckon .
Good catch on the flywheels. One appears to have a narrow face and fat spokes and the other is wide faced with small spokes. The kind of thing one overlooks in the heat of an engine purchase.
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You guys have real sharp eyes and did better than me. I no expert with these engines and I only noticed when I got home that the two flywheels were different In the morning I will get casting numbers and measurements off the flywheels and see if you can be of further assistance Thanks!
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OK guys, one flywheel is 24 inches in diameter with a 2-1/2" face and a casting number G1038 on it. The other flywheel is also 24 inches in diameter, has only a 1-3/4" face, differently shaped spokes and a casting # V713. Anyone knows what engine it came off of ? The head is # G1039 and the cylinder jug is # G1034 with a patent date May 2nd 1905. About the TITAN nameplate, the letters have normal spacing and the recast tag more than likely came from an original Titan tag as some numbers almost show up on the recast from the original one. Is there a way to tell if this engine is a K or a KA? All your observations and comments are welcomed. Thanks!
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Default Re: IHC Vertical Engine.

Wendel's book on the history of IHC has some good info and pictures of your engine. "The famous vertical tank cooled engines were also known as Titan vertical engines. The difference was in the name, with the Titan being sold by Deering dealers and the Famous engines being marketed by McCormick or Osborsne dealers. The 2hp hopper cooled was made from 1909-1912 and the air cooled from 1908-1912."

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Is there a way to tell if this engine is a K or a KA?
Look for the serial number on edge of the head. The G part numbers are for real and the non-G flywheel is out. If you run into GA on part numbers, that stands for Assembly, usually a grouping of parts, such as a pump.

The G1034 cylinder is for the 2HP, made 1905 to 1917. Same witth the G1039 head. The G1038 is the pulley side fly wheel. Odd that your governor side flywheel looks like it has the right governor. The correct part number for the governor side fly wheel is G1037.
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The reason I was asking if one could tell just by looking at the engine if it was a "K" or a "KA" is because there is what I think could be the serial number stamped on the end of the crankshaft. That number is 5919 and according to Wendel's notebook K5919 was built in 1906 while KA5919 was built in 1907. Anyone else has a number stamped on the end of the crankshaft on their vertical IHC? I'll check for a serial number on the head when the rain stops
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I just looked at my tank cooled 1906 and my newly aquirred screen cooled and both have their corresponding serial numbers stamped on the end of the crankshaft. Check out the photos of the new screen cooled vertical has lots of original paint and decal still visable and check out that oil sight gauge
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Hi, just to make sure I get you right about the serial numbers; (1) the same number is on both the name plate and the end of the crankshaft. (2) The letters K and/or KA are on the tag but not on the end of the crankshaft??? Thanks!
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Default Re: IHC Vertical Engine.

That is correct the number is the only stamping on the crank, the K and KA designation is only on the tag. I have one of each a K and a KA.

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Default Re: IHC Vertical Engine.

Also after looking at your photos, there is no provision for a water pump on the cam gear, I would imagine it to be a 1906 vintage because it was originally tank cooled and I believe after 06 they went to a water pump instead of thermosyphion. Maybe an IH expert can chime in here!!!

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Default Re: IHC Vertical Engine.

You are right. Seems like there was never a water pump on this engine. I did not know that only the early ones came without a pump.
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Look at it this way... you just saved a whole bunch-a-money by not needing a replacement water pump for your spiffy new old engine.
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According to Wendel's Notebook a 2hp IHC vertical engine with the ""K" infront of the serial number is a "stationary engine" while the ones with a "KA" are "Farm engines". What is the difference? How can I tell them apart? Thanks!
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Curiosity got the best of me. My engine is KA34216 on the plate as well as KA34216 on the governor end of the crankshaft.

I did not find the number on the edge of the head as it is on my 4HP Famous.

I suspect that the KA being a "farm engine" refers to the skid and trucks.
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Thanks to everyone who helped me figure out what I've got. My engine has now got a beginning of an identity and I'm starting to like it more than I did when I brought it home a couple of days ago Looks like I have a 2hp IHC vertical TITAN gasoline engine serial number K5919 built in 1906 for which I do not have to find a water pump since it never had one to start with. An original flywheel would be nice but not a must to get the engine running. The original ignitor's body is on the engine but all the other ignitor's parts are missing. Anyone knows if this ignitor is being reproduced? Any more comments, tips or observations are always welcomed. Again, thank you all!
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Hope this photo helps with your ignitor parts quest...
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