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Old 07-11-2005, 07:40:18 PM
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I picked this up yesterday. The guy who owned it said the last time he started it was 40 years ago. He is a good friend and told me I could have it if I promised not to turn around and sell it on Ebay. I am open for comments, suggestions, warnings, and advise on where to start. I really want to know who manufactured it and how old it is. Oh yeah, and what is missing on it. I have several more pictures.

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Old 07-11-2005, 07:47:47 PM
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No pic's yet
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Old 07-12-2005, 10:48:19 AM
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Sorry-new camera. Maybe these will work.
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Old 07-12-2005, 10:54:55 AM
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looks like a economy!
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Here are two more.

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Old 07-12-2005, 10:59:43 AM
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Default Re: What is it?

Thats a 1 1\2hp Economy. Looks pretty complete to me! That wico EK magneto can get expensive. As for where to start, I would just oil all moving parts, remove the head and clean out any crud thats laying in the cyl. Get some valve lapping compound, lap the valves. As for the magneto, if your lucky its still hot. but it would be a good idea to at least take the cover off and clean the points. Looks like a really nice find to me. Hopefully there isnt too much wrong with it, besides sitting for ump'teen years.
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Old 07-12-2005, 11:38:50 AM
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That crank hanging on the crankshaft should be retired to a prominent place on the shop wall. It appears to be a homemade one. They can hurt you. You may already know this. This engine can easily be started by turning the flywheels by the rim if every thing is set right. One way to tell an engine that was made by Hercules as yours was is by the brass tag. They never have a name on them, only the speed, serial number, rpms etc. regardless of the company they were building them for the basically the only difference was the color of the paint. Dark green for Hercules , Red for Economy sold by Sears , Light blue for Arco to name a few . THe decal on yours is referred to as a propeller style. Two styles of decals were used on Economy engines. good luck in a good hobby. Joe Morris
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Thanks for the great info. I don't know what made the fella who made the homemade crank think that he could get any more leverage with a smaller lever. I'm gonna try to start cleaning tonight.

Oh yeah--what years were these made?

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Old 07-12-2005, 03:19:43 PM
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I can read the name Ecenomy on the hopper. My advice is that you not repaint the engine. You have a desirable level of origional finish. No need to apply any clear varnish or other goop or gimmick. (my 2c) It may require some self control if this is your first engine, but try and resist the temptation to improve the finish. I would say: go easy, its common to break the valve rocker if the valve is stuck. Check that nothing is stuck before you try and roll it over. Take your time, no rush. Lots of lubrication: PB Blaster (WALMART) is good on stuck parts. And, WD40 followed by motor oil on everything that moves. I think there are reprint manuals available for the specific engine available from suppliers that advertise on this site. That would be well worth 5 bucks. Reminds me of my first one lunger gas engine, a 1 1/2 Sparta made Ecenomy. What fun!
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Your engine was made some time after late 1923. That is when the Wico magneto came on the market. There are no accurate serial numbers existing for the Hercules engines. These records were lost many years ago. You will probably destroy the head gasket if the head is removed. BUT, one is available from Starbolt engine supplies, an advertiser on SmokStak. You can E Mail him at starbolt4you@aol.com order head gasket#210 I1. Joe Morris
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Darren,

Keith Kinney maintains a good, helpful site for Hercules and Hercules built engines at

http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/default.htm

He has a SN list there, and if I read it correctly, your engine is 1924, probably fairly early in 1924.

Good luck w/ a very nice engine!

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Looks like you have a model H which was only built in 1924&25.The predessor to the Model S. Glenn Karch will be able to tell ya the whole story! BobRR
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