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HELP!! Mystery engine


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Old 07-31-2005, 07:38:35 PM
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Hi All,

I recently bought an engine at an auction and cannot identify the maker. There is no ID tag or decal anywhere on it. I will try to include a photo here, it's my first time on. If I can't I will continue with a full description.

The file was too large so will go back and try to make it smaller- in the meantime it looks like this. Green with yellow pinstriping, Hopper and hole rectangular with a lip around the hole. The hopper is straight sided on front and back but tapers out on the side for the upper 3? inches. Open crankcase with a cast guard at the rear shaped like a small trailer fender. 2 flywheels essentially solid but with a small (about 1 1/4 inch) hole near the hub. The striping on the wheels is like a 4 pointed star with round gullets. The striping on the tank follows the tank shape about an inch from the corners and in the four corners of the striping ther are 3 short, 2 inch lines as well. The striping on the crank guard is like a "wheat" pattern without heads. The gas tank is rectangular, fitted between the wood rails and painted red. The rails are red also with a black pinstripe border again about an inch in. The mag is at the carb side of the tank. This engine appears to be in the range of 1 1/2 to 2 HP. The oiler for the cylinder is on the top rear portion of the tank. If any of you can give me info it would be greatly appreciated, and hopefully I will get a photo in my next message.

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Old 07-31-2005, 07:51:49 PM
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Hi Again,

Trying the photo again.

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Old 07-31-2005, 08:26:22 PM
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Dave, It was mfd by Nelson Brothers. Now for the exact brand, HP, etc.....we'll have to wait for more expert help here...
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Thanx Harvey,

I just found a serial number stamped on one flywheel. It is TA12771. I am including another photo in a closer view.

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Old 07-31-2005, 08:53:52 PM
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Dave, The solid flywheel looks a lot like a Sattley. It is for sure a Nelson bros. throttle governed engine which is easy to tell by the " Wrap around" magneto bracket used on Nelson bros. engines The Jumbo engine for one, plus the crank handle built into the flywheel , another one of their practices. Hope this will help a little. Joe Morris
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Thanx so much Joe! This is great info from you guys and very helpful.

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Old 08-01-2005, 09:44:14 AM
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Dave:

My two cents worth is to just clean it up and preserve the original paint and pinstriping.

Nice engine!

Take care - Elden
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Thanx for your input Elden, that was my thought as well. the paint is in really excellent shape overall and it would be a shame to remove it.

The Meincke book "the Complete Guide to Stationary Engines" lists over 75 brand names associated with the Nelson Brothers. Does any body out there have thoughts on how to narrow down the list and determine what brand my engine might be?

Thanx again all,

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Old 08-02-2005, 03:58:10 PM
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No way to tell. Pick a name you like. The engine would have been built in the late 1920s. Al Wait
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Dave, Your engine was built sometime after late 1923. That was when the E K Wico mag came on the market. Good luck in a good hobby . Joe Morris in east Tennessee
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I have a question about the paint there seems to be a lot of green paint on stuff? What other engines have the mag and exhaust painted the same as the engine?Something new to me.BobRR
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Got one identical to that one in the picture. It has a brass tag labeling it as a "Sattley" by Montgomery Wards.
Mine is blue, runs sweet and slow on Coleman fuel.
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Default Re: HELP!! Mystery engine

This is great!!!

Al and Joe - you guys concur on the approx. possible date of manufacture.

BobRR - The same thing has crossed my mind as well, at first I was certain it was the original paint, however I am not yet convinced that it's not original. I have started cleaning a bit and hope to find out more as I go. I don't yet see any evidence of a previous color, so if it was repainted it would have had to be sandblasted or something. I will be at least partially disassembling the engine for cleaning and I expect to learn more as I do so.

Chuck - I am especially glad to hear that you have one identical to mine even if another color. I do have some questions for you. Where is the brass tag located on the engine? What is the serial number configuration, and is there a date? Does your engine have the same striping? Do you have photos? I have more photos of mine and can show closer detail to better compare if necessary.

Thanx again to all of you, this is fun!!

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