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Fairbanks Morse 1 1/2 Hp Z


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Old 08-09-2005, 08:57:18 PM
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Default Fairbanks Morse 1 1/2 Hp Z

I HAVE A FAIRBANKS 1 1/2 HP Z. I CAINT FIGURE OUT WHAT MODEL IT IS. HAS SPOKE FLYWHEELS, THROTTLE CONTROL, SEPARATE HEAD AND SPARK PLUG, GOVENOR AND MAG IS MISSING.

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Default Re: Fairbanks Moris 1 1/2 Hp Z

Do you know what the serial no. is? You may get more help on the main smokstak forum. BobRR
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Old 08-12-2005, 12:30:19 AM
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Default Re: Fairbanks Moris 1 1/2 Hp Z

Hi Bill. If it is open crank you have a model Z
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Default Re: Fairbanks Moris 1 1/2 Hp Z

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Hi Bill. If it is open crank you have a model Z
RON, THANKSFOR YOUR REPLY. IT IS A OPEN CRANK CASE ENGINE.

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Old 08-13-2005, 09:35:01 PM
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Default Re: Fairbanks Moris 1 1/2 Hp Z

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Do you know what the serial no. is? You may get more help on the main smokstak forum. BobRR
BOB THANKS FOR YOUR REPLY.. I DON'T HAVE RHE SERIAL NO. WHERE DO YOU USUALLY FIND THE SERIAL NO?

THANKS BILL
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Old 08-13-2005, 10:18:54 PM
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Default Re: Fairbanks Morse 1 1/2 Hp Z

It is usually on a little raised boss cast into the top of the water hopper.
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Old 08-14-2005, 03:00:14 PM
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Thank You For The Reply. I Will Take Another Look

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Default Re: Fairbanks Morse 1 1/2 Hp Z

Bill, If the Numbers are hard to read, sand them very lightly and they will stand out better. Once you find the serial # someone can date the engine and determine the type of mag used that year. A picture would also be helpful.

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Default Re: Fairbanks Morse 1 1/2 Hp Z

Bill, The missing magneto for your engine should not be hard to find, But the governor may pose a problem, especially if it is the entire governor and timeing gear bracket. Many of them were made of sorry potmetal that over time seemed to " rot " for lack of a better word and were easily broken. So many of them broke that it has made them a scarce item as far as used parts goe's. Joe Morris
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Erik And Joe
Thanks For The Reply I Will Try What You Suggest.
I Will Get Back To You.
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Default Re: Fairbanks Morse 1 1/2 Hp Z

Is There Anyone That Make A Electronic Speed Control For These
Old Engines?

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Old 08-18-2005, 08:45:21 PM
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Default Re: Fairbanks Morse 1 1/2 Hp Z

Bobrr, Ron Haskell, Kid Dynamo, Erikg, Joe Morris

I Have The Serial No. 643719

Thanks For Your Help

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Old 08-18-2005, 10:16:14 PM
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Default Re: Fairbanks Morse 1 1/2 Hp Z

Bill by the number you posted here your engine is a 1925 , you say it has spoked flywheels and not solid ones called "Dishpans" it could possibly be a later American Bosch AB-33 Equipped engine the dishpan engines used Fairbanks Type R Magnetos, a picture would be a great way to better identify your engine, in my book it says that the HP was changed from 1 1/2 - 2 HP effective on number 610467 based on your serial number the engine should have the R Magneto, what I am thinking is Fairbanks Morse might have had some left over parts and built up the remaining AB-33 engines since all of the 1 1/2 and 2 HP engines from 1919-1930's mostly used the same block but was altered in some way to fit the configuration of special models such as generator engines or hit and miss battery engines
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Default Re: Fairbanks Morse 1 1/2 Hp Z

Though I don't own a throttle governed 1-1/2 horse Fairbanks at this time, I do have a bit of info here and there.

The short answer to your question, I think, is that you have a 1925 Z, like the man said. I 'spose it could yet be called a ZA since I don't think it would be a ZB.

According to Wendel, Fairbanks started using the type "R" Fairbanks magneto in 1924 and by 1925, all were thus equipped. That would suggest that this would likely have been the original mag for this engine, but nothing seems certain in this particular world.

I have begun to wonder if this part of the series is where the pot-metal magneto bracket made its appearance, but this is only a guess. Besides, changing out the bracket would have been pretty easy, once upon a time, even if only because of a gear problem, etc, changing the entire assembly would be easier back in the day when these engines were junk and a bracket could be canabilized for a few bucks.

So-o-o........what material is your mag bracket made from- cast iron or pot metal? As before- are your gears spiral or straight cut?

With the answer to these questions and a couple others, we could narrow down some things regarding what you have.

If you are set up for an AB-33 oscillating magneto, your big timing gear would need to have a pin to "trip" the mag lever. Do ya' have one of these pins on the inside of the big gear?? Or an unused hole in the gear??

Another clue will be the space between the unused mag mounting holes on the top of the magneto bracket (governor bracket, or whatever you call it). I can't say for sure on a 1-1/2 hp but on the 3/6 horse brackets, the AB-33 mounting holes are spaced differently than the Type "R" mounting holes (I think). What is the distance between your bracket's magneto mounting holes??

Regardless of all of the answers, several possibilities exist- First, that your parts are not the "original" ones to the engine (not that it matters) and second, that I am full of beans.
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Default Re: Fairbanks Morse 1 1/2 Hp Z

JONATHAN, KIDDYNAMO, BOBRR, ERIKG JOE MORRIS RON HASKELL, LARRY DALTON OR WHOEVER

I DO HAVE THE MAG BRACKET. IT SEEMS TO BE CAST IRON. HOW
DO YOU TELL? THE GEAR IS STRAIGHT CUT. IT DOES NOT HAVE A PIN.

THE SPACE BETWEEN THE MAG MOUNTING HOLES IS 3 1/2 INCHES..

IT HAS A HOLE THAT I THINK WOULD BE FOR THE GOVENOR THAT IS
7/8 INCH..THAT GOES THROUGH THE CASTING ABOUT 1 3/4 INCHES AND
IT IS RIGHT BELOW THE DRIVE GEAR..

THANKS FOR YOUR HELP

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Default fairbanks mores 1 1/2 hp z model????

STILL TRYING TO FIND OUT THE MODEL OF MY ENGINE IT IS Z SERIAL
#643719THE MAG BRACKET IS CAST IRON THE GEAR HAS STRAIGHT CUT.

THE SPACE BETWEEN THE MAG HOLES IS 3 3/4 INCHES.

I NEED TO ORDER PARTS AND I NEED TO KNOW MODEL.

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Default Re: fairbanks mores 1 1/2 hp z model????

Bill,
is there anyway you could post a picture of this engine, I have a pretty good idea what model this engine is, I have one similar except for it a 2 HP with dishpan flywheels, this engine could be a generator engine of somesort, Fairbanks made a lot of special engines such as the Contractors Special, Ransome Special and various Air Compressor and Generator type engines
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Jonathan, Thanks For The Reply. I Will Get A Picture Posted.
It May Be A Few Days Comming. I Will Have To Get My Son With
His Digital.

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Default Re: Fairbanks Morse 1 1/2 Hp Z

Also, how many teeth are on your crankshaft gear??
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Default Re: Fairbanks Morse 1 1/2 Hp Z

What your describing, a two horse open crank spoke flywheel 1925 year "Z" engine, SHOULD have a pot metal mag/governor bracket, but it could be cast iron...It would originaly have used an "R" mag, But type "RV" or "J" will interchange no problem....There is an "RV" with the correct 25 tooth gear on e-bay right now for $45.00...Says it's HOT. But you gotta be careful with the e-bay stuff, ya' know! Otherwise call Ed Dies at hit & miss enterprises. He can ask you a few question and get you the correct parts.

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