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Old 01-29-2011, 03:32:41 PM
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Default Heider Cone Replacement

Began getting access to the cone pulley on the Heider. Not sure how much of the pulley needs to come off the shaft.
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Default Re: Heider cone replacement

Fred,
I edited my post as I had said the friction was not a cone but a series of rings laminated together - but I see in your picture #3 that you already found that out! I have made up a couple of new sets by cutting rings out of sheet masonite - that seems to stand up well. Good luck.
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Fred,

We need to do the same thing with our Heider as well, please keep the pictures coming! Are the sections full rings? Or are they in thirds or quarters?
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Here's the old friction that was on the Beaver tractor. It had some meat left to it but was sort of glazed and wouldn't grip that well.
Still some of the original old green paint on it in spots though! Motor assembly slides ahead out of rear crankshaft bearing housing to replace friction.
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Default Re: Heider Cone Replacement

we ordered our replacement disk through paperpulleys.com, not as cost effective as making your own from masonite, but maybe a little less hassle, although we still had to have it milled a little to fit.

you can unhook the linkage and use a bar to slide the engine farther forward to get the extra room. we also had to unbolt the angle iron underneath of it for it to drop out.

Keep the pictures coming, I wish we had taken pictures of the process.
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FWurth:
It appears the sections are full rings which are pressed in tight right now. Not sure if I should get a screwdriver in there and start peeling them out or if there is a better way...
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Paul,
We used a come-along to slide the engine forward but we have not cleared the shaft from the rear housing yet. Are there bearings inside of that housing? Is there anything (lip) on the shaft that will keep the shaft from exiting the housing?
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More pictures of the tractor. First one shows come-along pulling engine forward.
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IIRC, dad unbolted it and just let the housing stay on the shaft, the pulley went right over it rather then try and disassemble it.
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Default Re: Heider Cone Replacement

Here's some stuff from catalogue. Crankshaft just slips through a roller bearing in the housing. Friction rings bolt on lip of flywheel as shown in motor picture. That was my experience with the GS&M Beaver with a Heider style transmission. The friction came off as you see in my pix in posts above.
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This is from a Heider operators manual.
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Default Re: Heider Cone Replacement

You may need to use a second comealong on the other side. Using just one may be causing the motor to bind up in the slides.
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Thanks G and Tom,
You have provided a great deal of useful information.
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Default Re: Heider Cone Replacement

Ours was several segments of Masonite with pieces of modern house shingles laid underneath to makeup for wear. We got a paper pulley after sending the dimensions. It fit a little tight. There are 10 bolts holding it on.
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How far should the fiber extend past the motor fly wheel?
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Default Re: Heider Cone Replacement

farmstrong,
The more meat you start out with on the friction, the better. Just leave enough clearance so you have neutral!
Now I feel kind of embarassed putting my 2 pfennigs' worth in as I didn't get as fancy as what you guys are talking about. Being a poor dirt farmer, I used the masonite, cut and installed it in an afternoon and as for machining the friction - a couple of trips around the yard looked after that!
That is in keeping with the ol' testimonials where guys changed the friction out in the field, between loads whilst threshing and over a beverage or three!
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Fred,

Was this Heider originally came from Goshen, Indiana back in 1995?

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Craig,
My brother and I adopted Buckley Old Engine Show's Heider this winter for some much needed attention. Not sure where it originally came from.
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Pulled out the worn friction discs today. Brother is going to order replacments from paperpulley. Might also try cutting some from masonite.
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Engine slid forward rather easily. Hard part will probably be putting new friction discs back on.
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I worked with Oilpulled replacing the friction wheel on our 12-20C Heider. Paperpulley had made a few already and actually thought one might still be on the shelf! Other than a rather snug fit on the flywheel they made it perfectly based on our measurements. Approx 1/2" larger dia. than flywheel, and about 1/4" smaller than the distance between discs for neutral clearance-though would have to measure mine to say for sure. The crankshaft did slide nicely out of the housing by sliding the engine further forward. Before ordering mine, I entertained machining a stack of masonite discs, using a router bolted to a pivot arm to make perfectly reproducible circles.
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