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Heider Cone Replacement


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Old 01-29-2011, 03:32:41 PM
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Began getting access to the cone pulley on the Heider. Not sure how much of the pulley needs to come off the shaft.
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Fred,
I edited my post as I had said the friction was not a cone but a series of rings laminated together - but I see in your picture #3 that you already found that out! I have made up a couple of new sets by cutting rings out of sheet masonite - that seems to stand up well. Good luck.
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Fred,

We need to do the same thing with our Heider as well, please keep the pictures coming! Are the sections full rings? Or are they in thirds or quarters?
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Here's the old friction that was on the Beaver tractor. It had some meat left to it but was sort of glazed and wouldn't grip that well.
Still some of the original old green paint on it in spots though! Motor assembly slides ahead out of rear crankshaft bearing housing to replace friction.
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Default Re: Heider Cone Replacement

we ordered our replacement disk through paperpulleys.com, not as cost effective as making your own from masonite, but maybe a little less hassle, although we still had to have it milled a little to fit.

you can unhook the linkage and use a bar to slide the engine farther forward to get the extra room. we also had to unbolt the angle iron underneath of it for it to drop out.

Keep the pictures coming, I wish we had taken pictures of the process.
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FWurth:
It appears the sections are full rings which are pressed in tight right now. Not sure if I should get a screwdriver in there and start peeling them out or if there is a better way...
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Paul,
We used a come-along to slide the engine forward but we have not cleared the shaft from the rear housing yet. Are there bearings inside of that housing? Is there anything (lip) on the shaft that will keep the shaft from exiting the housing?
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More pictures of the tractor. First one shows come-along pulling engine forward.
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IIRC, dad unbolted it and just let the housing stay on the shaft, the pulley went right over it rather then try and disassemble it.
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Default Re: Heider Cone Replacement

Here's some stuff from catalogue. Crankshaft just slips through a roller bearing in the housing. Friction rings bolt on lip of flywheel as shown in motor picture. That was my experience with the GS&M Beaver with a Heider style transmission. The friction came off as you see in my pix in posts above.
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This is from a Heider operators manual.
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