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Old 11-08-2011, 03:39:56 PM
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Some folks might be interested in seeing photographs and a description of the steam sawmill day that recently took place in Vero Beach, Florida.

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Old 11-08-2011, 05:55:30 PM
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I'll add a few photographs...............

"Big Jim"............



Sawmill...........J.A. Vance Company, Winston-Salem, N.C., USA....
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Old 11-08-2011, 06:03:18 PM
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The man with the plan................



A very hard worker...............

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Someone needs to do something with that key sticking out of the pulley.

A man got caught on one at the Denton show some years ago, and it stripped him down to his drawers and shoes. It would have killed him had the engine not been idling at a very slow speed. He was oiling the crossheads at the time on his 9 X 10 Frick portable.

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David,

That item was discussed and is in the top ten items to be corrected. I also know of an undermount engine that killed a man because he got caught in the key.
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Old 11-08-2011, 10:06:39 PM
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The man with the plan................from another angle.........


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Checking for nails...............





And.............having to check out the neat toy!!!



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Someday I will figure out how to put the youtube video in the post..............but until that day comes.................please click on the link below...

http://youtu.be/VgsZgxgGIj0

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Jeff,
Thanks for posting your pictures, I didn't realize you took that many. They turned out nice.

Sorry I haven't had the chance to bring everyone up to date on the sawmill project. I intended to reserect my old thread about questions for the sawmill guys but I guess we can carry on from here. My wife Pam took the video and posted it on Utube for me.

This sawmill has been in the works for about eight or nine years. I got the new blade from B.H. Payne in the middle of Aprill and this was the first real test. This is the first run with the James Leffel engine.

Did anybody notice the fatboy on the stick with the big smile? That's me fulfilling a long time dream. The first offbearer is the land owner Tommy Hearndon, we have been life long friends growing up a block apart in town. The helper on the other end of the carriage is Marshall Goodknight a long time friend for forty years. The engineer and fireman, long time friend, Jeff Smith and his son Jacob. We all worked very hard that day.

I've already got my first big order for lumber to build some cow pens.

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Someone needs to do something with that key sticking out of the pulley.

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We actually did discuss that key when we were oiling up. I suppose I will take the port-a-band to it. It makes it almost impossible to stick the tac on the end of the shaft. You can't get your clothing within three feet of it, being nearly eight feet off the ground and three feet from the step.
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....... I intended to reserect my old thread about questions for the sawmill guys but I guess we can carry on from here........
Other thread.........

http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=82796

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WOW!! I started that thread right at a year ago... Time flys when you'r having fun.

I just sat here and read through the whole thing again. I guess my thanks button is used up again but I'd like to take this chance to thank everyone again for all the help and comments.
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Hey guys,

Forgive my ignorance here but when the possibility of death comes up, that tends to grab my attention...

Can one of you point out to me where this key is that you're referring to - in which picture on which pulley? My inexperienced eyes are not able to identify it and it sounds important enough to keep an eye out for the next time I'm around an engine or a sawmill!

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Can one of you point out to me where this key is that you're referring to - in which picture on which pulley?
It's the piece that's sticking out between the hub of the pulley and the crankshaft.

The fellow at Denton was wearing bib overalls, and those that saw it happen say he went around about five times before he broke free. Fortunately, he was only shaken up, and nothing was hurt but his pride.

I borrowed Bro. Smith's picture and cropped it. I hope he doesn't mind.

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Thanks for pictures and video. That engine is great and just as much fun as one you drive around. I like the sound. The mill is great too.
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Hello Alan; Iffin' you don't mind I am curious about a few things and hope you can answer a few questions for me. Regarding your James Leffel portable engine - what is your operating pressure, what speed do you run it at, and what size bore and stroke is the cylinder? Regarding the sawmill - what is the long coil spring for that looks sort of like a garage door torsion spring on the outside of the long shaft under the carriage? Love the project and get lots of use and fun out of it. Thanks for any answers you can provide to someone that HAS to deal with frost heaves and hard water certain times of the year. Lee AKA 3/4 A
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30 seconds and a hacksaw will cure that key
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I have never seen a mill with a smaller gas engine on the chain until I helped Alan; that is very handy because you can shut down the mill and clean around the blade and under the mill and pitch the sawdust into the chain and it will dump it on the pile.
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Hello Alan; Iffin' you don't mind I am curious about a few things and hope you can answer a few questions for me.
Thanks for the interest Three Quarter...

Regarding your James Leffel portable engine -
It might be simpler to bring up this old thread I started about two years ago since I couldn't remember some of the engine specs and I had to go back and look. http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66794

I know that the safety valve is set at 135#. The blade is hammered for 500 rpm and the pulley ratio is 2.1:1 so I set the engine at 250. That gets the blade to just over 500. Jeff Smith can probably tell you more about the pressures we were running since he was firing. I know he kept me right up close to the peg and I never ran out of power. He only let it pop one or two times. And that was because I was taking some extra time teaching the guys what to do on the sawmill.

Regarding the sawmill - That spring is there to help in pulling the headblocks back when you are ready to load another log onto the carriage... As you feed the log toward the blade for each consecutive cut it puts more tension on that spring, then when you reverse the headblocks to draw them back the gear ratio in the feed works changes to make it recede faster that's when the spring helps in the rotation of that shaft.

Thanks for the complements.

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I have never seen a mill with a smaller gas engine on the chain until I helped Alan;
Jeff that is the engine in this picture...
http://www.smokstak.com/forum/member.php?u=667

Me and that little engine go back a long way...My dad bought the mower new in 1949. Yes it's a Reo.
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Not to get too far off track here but I figured this was as good a place as any to ask... could someone point out where to find some good resources for learning about sawmills? Starting at a "very beginner's level" would be appropriate in this case... I'm interested in not only how to operate one but how they are constructed and what all the components are called, etc. Books, web links, Stak threads, etc. are all appreciated!

I've had limited exposure to sawmills here in the Midwest (something about a lack of trees just doesn't lend itself well to a strong lumber industry), but I think they are one of the neatest pieces of equipment that you can run with a steam engine, and very practical too if you happen to have access to timber!

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If you want to learn about sawmills, you could just wait until it is about -20 in your neck of the woods and then hop a flight to Melbourne and Alan will put you to work in 70 degree +/- warmth!!!

The less expensive way is to purchase books such as "The Circular Sawmill" by C.H. Wendel, or items from Brenda ( http://eandemagazine.com/ReprintsFrame1Source1.htm ) from Geiser, Frick, etc. or search google books for old circular sawmill books or there is even a circular sawmill forum.

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