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1/2 Scale Case 110hp Project

skugger

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Hi everyone - I thought i'd go ahead and get this thread started. After almost two years of talking to full-size and scale tractor owners & trying to figure out what i'm going to build, I finally have it figured out. Last week I purchased a set of castings for a 1/2 scale Case 110, which will be shipped to me next week, and as of today I have an agreement with a boiler builder.

It'll still be a little while before I can really get started, but there's no shortage of research to do and questions to ask. I already have a small group of people from this forum who have graciously offered their help & i'm going to need it - these castings come with no drawings.

so to start with, i'd like to get some help in finding some shows I can visit this year, where 1/2 scale 110s or full-size 110s usually hang out. I'm in northern Michigan, which is in my favor since there are so many shows in the Great Lakes area.

I already plan to go to Wauseon again this year, so I have that show covered. Please post here or send me a PM if you have any other suggestions. Thanks!

Chris
 

chrsbrbnk

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Re: 1/2 scale Case 110hp project

there 1/2 at forest city iowa once in a while and a full size always . who's building your boiler?
 

b7100

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Looking forward to seeing your project as it progresses. Give us lots of pictures. Bring on the questions. There are a lot of talented people on this forum that are more than willing to help. We wish you the best of luck.
 

Andrew Mackey

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No drawings??? I would look and see if anyone has a set, or can make one up for you. Tough to machine something if you don't know dimensions! :eek: Good luck with your project, I look forward to seeing your progress!:salute:
 

Casemaker

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The very first 110 half scale built was completed by Bernie Isert near Buffalo Indiana in the late 90s if you could contact him he would have vast knowledge on your project.
 

skugger

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Casemaker thanks for the tip - I just searched for Isert in other threads and came up with a lot of good info i'm going to have to spend some time digesting.

But the main bit of news that this has just taught me is that John Haley is a participant of this forum, I didn't know that. It just happens that the Amish gentleman who sold me my set of 110 castings told me that he purchased his set of 110 patterns from John Haley.

So I suddenly have a list of threads to read through when I get home tonight, and maybe that will lead me to some new sources of advice or maybe even some drawings. Thanks again!
 

Casemaker

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You might also contact anyone that has built a 110 half scale...some of them built additional patterns because the original patterns just have the basic castings.

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David Fie in Watertown South Dakota...would be a good contact as well.
 

Casemaker

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You will want to track down these patterns which back in the day were not included in the original casting set.

Steering drum roller
Power steering castings
Preheater end caps
Steps and risors
Boiler feed pump
Wheel hubs for extentsion rims

There might be more, these are the ones that i can remember.
 

jbott82

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This will be an awesome project. One I hope to do when the time is right. Glad you are moving forward on this project. Can’t wait to see the parts and pieces come together!
 

Casemaker

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Skugger
How about posting pictures of your casting set? That wpuld be interesting info for other potential builders.
 

skugger

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Skugger
How about posting pictures of your casting set? That wpuld be interesting info for other potential builders.
I do plan to do that. The castings should be here in a couple of days. I've been spending time on the phone with the shipping company, trying to figure out how to get a 1500 lb. crate off of the truck when it arrives at my house!

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You will want to track down these patterns which back in the day were not included in the original casting set.

Steering drum roller
Power steering castings
Preheater end caps
Steps and risors
Boiler feed pump
Wheel hubs for extentsion rims

There might be more, these are the ones that i can remember.
The steering drum and preheater end caps are included in the set that I've purchased, although the end caps don't quite look right in the photographs I've seen, they look too small. i'll be taking a closer look at those when I get them.

There are no castings related to power steering, and that's okay with me, I hadn't planned on including that in my project. The gentleman who sold me the castings told me that Cattail has patterns for steps and risers for some Case models, I will have to call Cattail and ask them exactly what they have.

I hope to get a look at the pump on a full size 110 or two, to see how similar or different it is from the 65 hp pump. If it's the same, I may be buying one from you, a little ways down the road.

One more thing i'm not clear about: the castings list that I received does not include a water column. I seem to remember one being included in the 1/3 scale castings set from Reduction Engineering. Maybe they just forgot to add it to the castings list, or maybe i'll have to fabricate one.

Chris
 

Steve Kunz

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You should have a nice project, good luck with it.

It sounds like you might be able to use a water column from a smaller casting kit according to this thread, post #6.

Quote: Another problem is different sizes engines will use the same water column. For example my 30 Case uses the same column at the early 110. Water glasses weren't scaled to the size of the engine. If I had the glass full on my 30 the whole barrel would be water even when level.
https://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=176663&highlight=sight+glass
 

Casemaker

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Skugger
If i recall someone tried using a half scale 65 water pump but it was not large enough....i think someone then built a pattern for one.
 

b7100

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Don't sweat the small stuff. Everything listed in the casting set as missing or questionable can be fabricated. As you go to the shows this summer you will be able to see how other builders have done things. In some cases a fabricated part is much more attractive than a casting that may not be an accurate fit.. As mentioned it is much more important to have a print with dimensions. Either as you said get prints from Case and scale them down or develope very close relationships with those who have been there and done that. Scaled down dimensions don't alkways work.
 

skugger

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The big day came one day early, castings arrived today instead of tomorrow. Got them home right around dinnertime. I've spent the last hour (at least) hanging out in the garage just looking them over.

I think they look great. They're all cleaned up really well, no flash, all the seam lines are filed down. So far I haven't found any flaws in them.

And boy, are they heavy. I'll admit something - after doing so much research on this project, I have known the numbers telling me how big these things should be & how much they should weigh, but it doesn't really hit home until you see them in person & try to heft one of these pieces up to the workbench by yourself. It hadn't really hit me, what I was getting myself into, building a half scale 110, until I emptied this crate of castings. Now that I've done that, this project isn't scaring me, I just haven't stopped laughing to myself about it. This thing is going to be big. And heavy.

This post will be my first attempt at attaching photos. let's see if I have figured it out.


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skugger

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Okay, looks like that worked.

Here are some statistics for you:

in the previous post: a couple pictures of the whole pile of pieces. The flywheel is 22 inches in diameter, the crank disk is about 16 1/2 inches. The rear wheel hub is 11 inches in diameter, and about 12 1/2 inches tall / wide.

below: the inside diameter of the cylinder casting is 4 5/8 inches - and it needs to be bored out to 6 inches. Mr. Beiler tells me he was able to go 6 1/4 with his engine, it sure looks like there would be enough metal for that. The cylinder is about 9.5 inches long. Of course the best shot is the shot of the smokebox door, which looks great. The smokebox ring is 20 inches in diameter, which of course is also what the boiler barrel diameter will be.

Today this project stops being some nebulous thought in my head and becomes an actual project. Very excited to finally have this stuff in the garage!

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b7100

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Stearing drum roller the flutes go in the same direction. I don't know how that is supposed to work. Maybe there is an explination.

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O.k. after looking at it I can see how it would work. It just stood out as being different than what I had.

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What do they use for gears?
 

skugger

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yup, the chain comes off the top of the drum on one side & off the bottom on the other.

Gearing is still an unanswered question. It might be possible to use the same salvaged tractor gears that others use for 1/2 scale 65 builds, although the rear wheels on the 1/2 scale 110 are going to be 6 inches bigger in diameter. I need to get some measurements from someone who has a set of those old tractor gears and see if it'll work. Otherwise, there is a guy out there who has patterns to cast the bull gears for a 1/2 scale 110, but that would still leave me with having to figure out what differential to use.
 
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