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Approx 1920 vertical engine to put on a tractor

AultmanTaylor

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We have this 1919 All American tractor which now has a 1932 Briggs on it. We cannot find anything about it so we have no clue what engine should be on it.
We now are looking what engine could have been on it.
It should be around 3-4 hp an probably a vertical since its placed on the tractor with the crankshaft in line with the chassis. It should also probably be an air cooled one since I wouldn't know where to put a radiator or screen cooling.

Anyone got some ideas what engines would be available around 1920 that fit these requirements?

Kind Regards
Lennert from Belgium
 

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Tim B

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I think a Mar Tan motor would look good. Or if you have the room and be able to carry the weight and be able to steer maybe a New way model like on the Centaur also in one of my videos.
Here's a link to my motor.

 

AultmanTaylor

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A Coldwell cub looks rather small to me, what hp rating did it have?

The New However looks kinda nice and might work for it. What time frame where these built?

Greets
 

Tim B

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The New Way that I have is no newer than a 1925. The tractor is a '25 and they were put on these a few years earlier.
 

AultmanTaylor

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When we bought it, there was a plate which the previous owner made which had 1919 on it.
The tractor was sold at the marhanka sale and I think it was mentioned as a 1919 as well.
Looking at the way the tractor is built, everything looks as if it's of that period.
The way the engine is mounted it's clear that it ain't original. The engine is around 1931 or 1932, probably a replacement for the original. It is my idea that you would put a newer engine on it if you want to use it, so it has to be before 1932.

Greetings

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whoops just found out it should be 1921
 

LarrapMan

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Is it actually an American Tractor? It looks rather european to me :crazy:

Joe
 

David Parfitt

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When we bought it, there was a plate which the previous owner made which had 1919 on it.
The tractor was sold at the marhanka sale and I think it was mentioned as a 1919 as well.
Looking at the way the tractor is built, everything looks as if it's of that period.
The way the engine is mounted it's clear that it ain't original. The engine is around 1931 or 1932, probably a replacement for the original. It is my idea that you would put a newer engine on it if you want to use it, so it has to be before 1932.

Greetings

---------- Post added at 09:40 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:34 PM ----------

whoops just found out it should be 1921
Hi Lennert

It seems you may have to revise your thinking... I found the following about Donald & Boerner Corp., as marked on the rear wheel:

"Arthur R. BOERNER, Milwaukee, has been appointed business specialist in the new district office of the United States Department of Commerce. He had previously been employed with the Gilson Manufacturing Co. of Port Washington and with B. F. Avery & Sons at both Dallas, Texas, and Louisvile, Ky. In 1929 Mr. Boerner became president of the Boerner Co. and later president of the Donald and Boerner Corp."

(Source: http://digicoll.library.wisc.edu/cgi-bin/UW/UW-idx?type=div&did=UW.v48i8.i0017&isize=text)

The tractor cannot be earlier than 1929, as the Boerner Co. was not formed until that year, and it in fact has to be later than that, as it was made by the successor company.

Don't be too hasty to remove the 1932 Briggs engine! ;)

Best wishes

David

 
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AultmanTaylor

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Well I'm still pretty sure that the engine is not original.
If it would be original then the guy who was developing it must have thought about putting an engine onto it about an hour before they started production :D
Everything about it is pretty decent constructed except the way the engine is mounted.
 

Bud Tierney

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There was an inquiry here (8-12-07 Lugs/Cleats) that I can't bring up on search re' a 1921 with a non-original 1931 or so B&S, with apparently one reply that no info was found...sounds like same tractor...
Patents for Forrest V Donald (I think the Donald of Donald & Boerner per a 1940 patent assigned to "Donald Boerner Corp") begin in 1924 (power transmission mechanism) and 1927 (garden tractor) both assigned to Gilson; online index indicates not put into production.
There's a 4-7-35 ad in the MIlw journal (googlepapers); surprisingly little info on cursory search...Arethur R Boerner seems to've been, and apparently is, a very popular name, too..
 
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