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Early Upright Engines

Tom S

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Shelby's recent post about the G carb upright prompted me to start a new thread about early upright engines.

The first engine Maytag used under their washers was called the Maytag Multi Motor and was identical to the Elgin Red e Motor. It looked like this, however the engines used on washing machines would'nt have the external shaft and pulley protruding from the crank case like this one.


The next style was the G carburetor Multi Motor. This was a Maytag made engine but still carried many of the charecteristics of the earlier Elgin engines. The first Maytag engine was serial number 1000. This one is serial number 1002. Note the Elgin style fuel tank, flywheel, and cylinder without a provision for a priming cup.


More to come :wave:
 

Tom S

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Re: Early Upright engines

Later, the G carb engines were streamlined a bit and started taking on a more modern upright Maytag look. Many of the castings were modified. This is serial number 3318.


Most of these first engines were painted a deep dark red with a silver cylinder at the the factory. Widely distributed literature and web sites claim the uprights were different variations of blue and red, but those claims are false. The first 1000 or so used a painted on stencil stating "Patents Pending". After this a small water transfer decal was used stating the same thing. This is an early D carb engine with the early decal
 
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Peter

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This is very informative. Thank you.

If you are in the know, perhaps include detailed photos covering all the uprights.

:O

Something to think about. Harry has an online library. A complete photo history
of maytag would be nice addition. links to pics in this thread ?

1. vertical engines
2. fruit jars (and the fake bases)
3. single horizontal
4. double engines
 
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LCJudge

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Re: Early Upright engines

Tom, I've got a new appreciation for Maytags.
 

Tom S

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Re: Early Upright engines

Tom, I've got a new appreciation for Maytags.

Wow Tommy, that's quite an honor coming from a collector like you! Some of the side shaft & cam stopper guys won't even look if they see the word "Maytag". Thanks! :wave:
 

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Re: Early Upright engines

Hey Tom, here is a picture showing the original green and silver paint on one of my later engines. This may help Shelby and others out on the original silver color! It will also let people see first hand that Maytag did some funky stuff when it comes to colors too! I will try later to get to the one that is tan/brown, with black flywheel.

The next picture is my model C carb Maytag which came before the D carb that Tom showed (correct Tom?). Notice it has the same crankcase as the model G carb of Tom's Engine.

The final picture is my F carb Maytag, the engine is a basic crankcase mounted carburator, but this carburator is very rare!
 

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By the way Tom, I would give my I teeth to get a hold of your literature, ads, ect. with the dates ect. Can any be scanned? Any duplicates or copies you care to sell??
Thanks for all your info, some is new to me as well and that's a good thing.
Keep it coming.
 

Everett Hayden

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Re: Early Upright F carb

I bought a 11 82, thought the carb looked strange and later saw the "F" on it. I don't think it was original to that 82 engine. What # range would it correctly be suitable for on a upright?

Everett
 

Marc P

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My serial is 85777, the last full scale production of bat & coils ended at serial 99859. I have assumed a date to it of 1919, is this correct? Tom?
The 82 never had the F carb, some one did you a good favor. If you want to go to original you can sell the F, and buy an E. The money you will receive for the F should basically cover most or all of the new carb and the engine cost originally depending on the price you paid. Put it on the proper year upright you've got a potential $1,200.00 engine. Or you can sell it to me for cash and an E:D, ooops that's greedy ain't it.
 

Everett Hayden

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Hello M. Pavlik,

Nosiree, it wasn't greedy at all but the way you put it did give me a good laugh. Still chucklin. I did have an "E" on a upright and so swapped them. The carb should be on a correct year engine though and I do thank you for the information. I am mostly a early four stroke guy but I do have some Maytags as well.

Thank you,

Everett
 

Tom S

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Re: Early Upright engines

A few thousand of the G carb engines were built in 1916 and then the C carb was introduced. Some of the G carb engines were converted to The C carb like this one, which would have started out as a G carb, SN 2230.

Soon after the C carb came the D carb. The crank case casting was simplified but still used carb piping similar to the C carb. The first D carb engines were filled with fuel from the top like this one..

On the later D carb engines the fuel filler was changed so the filler was on the side of the fuel tank like this one.
 

Tom S

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Re: Early Upright engines

The D carb is easily identified by the letter M in this carb casting.

Following the D carb was the first style of the common E carb. It was mounted on the same way as the D carb, and infact were used as replacement carbs on D carb engines. The first E carb used a fixed fuel jet and had a small area cast into the side of the carb, presumably to add a propane or city gas set up to it. This one happens to be on a 1 HP model, but the same carb was used on both 1/2 HP and 1 HP models

More to come :wave:
 

Tom S

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M Pavlik, Thanks for the pictures! I have seen others in green and silver and all green like this one.

I'll work on digging out some paper but I am rather disorganized. I wish it were all filed in one spot!:bonk:

Are you sure your F carb engine is not 65777? My original F is serial # 59808 and the other one is 65371.


The battery and coil engines were built well into the 20's right along side the magneto uprights, the Model 72 Fruit Jar and the early 82's. The latest battery and coil upright I have seen had a serial number in the 121,000 range. The reason for the long production is because Maytag continued to make the wood tub washer along side the aluminum tubs. :)
 

Marc P

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Yep, I just checked again, no doubt about it, 85777 is the serial on my F carb. It may be original, or could have been replaced as well? It's Maytag, who really can tell?
There are not many out there, and one is mine so I am happy!
By the way Tom, I had a dream that Iowa was going to get some bad storms.........someday......soon.......real soon......maybe you should ship all of your engines to me in Indiana, I'll gladly pay all shipping and a few extra $$$$$$$ to make sure they are safe!:D
 

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Here is an old Maytag engine I restored in the mid 80's. It was found dissassembled in a cardboard box in the attic of a shop owned by my friend's grandmother. Surprisingly, all the pieces were there and we had it reassembled and running just a few hours into the project. My father and I were restoring a 1918 Oil Pull Rumely 20-40 at the time and he had some of the correct paint left over. We decided to paint it the same color. I think the decals were worn off of it when the engine was found. The coil and porcelain pole switch were in the box with the engine as well and I suspect they may have been with the engine from day one. I'm not sure of the year of the engine or the model so I've included some pictures that will hopefully allow one of you guru's to identify it. The Serial # is 13472. The engine is in very nice shape and runs well.
Thanks for your interest, Old Willy
 

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Tom S

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Old Willy,
What you have there is an early engine that probably came with the "D" style carb. It has the early fule tank lugs, a priming cup cylinder and a nice early serial number. I'd bet tha back whe it was in use, something gave out on it and the crank case, main bearing, and carb were replaced with a more modern version. I love that Oil Pull Green! :wave: I am looking for a Rumely.:O
 

Tom S

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Re: Early Upright engines

Most of these first engines were painted a deep dark red with a silver cylinder at the the factory. Widely distributed literature and web sites claim the uprights were different variations of blue and red, but those claims are false. The first 1000 or so used a painted on stencil stating "Patents Pending". After this a small water transfer decal was used stating the same thing. This is an early D carb engine with the early decal
I found a picture of an early "G" carb engine in original paint with the patent pending stencil. Here it is. :)
 

Tony Kautza

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Re: Early Upright engines

Great information I have a old early sales brochure from the Maytag corp that lists the different engine sizes and it lists a 1/4 hp I wonder if any of these were produced I have copies of this for sale on ebay gives bore and stroke of all the engines I know it is an early piece of literature because the engines all have G carbs Thanks again for all the great info Tony K
 
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