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Forklift Ignition Ducellier Distributor

Greg Shipley

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I am looking for ideas and solutions here. I have a mid-1990s forklift that runs on LP. 4cylinder engine has a distributor problem and parts are not available and a new distributor is $$$$$ It is electronic ignition now with a hall effect pickup in the distributor. any ideas how to retro a hall effect into this system and either get it to work or incorporate another high voltage side that will make the system work?
 

mmcdonald

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04/13/2017
Re: Forklift Ignition.

What is the distributor make and model? If you can't supply that, at least the engine? or forklift? make and model. Not enough info to make any kind of suggestion.
 

Greg Shipley

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Re: Forklift Ignition.

Cat forklift model V30D with a 2.0L 4 cylinder Peugeot engine on LP.
the distributor is a Ducellier xn1p that has the hall effect pickup in it.

Looking for a way to get it all going again I am ok with machining parts if need be to make something fit.

sorry for the no information thing, just seems everyone I have talked to runs for the hills when they hear 'CAT' or 'PUEGEOT' so I started general so as not to scare everyone off.
 

Bud Tierney

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Re: Forklift Ignition.

Have you tried searching Ducellier here?
Believe 2-3? yrs ago there were posts on this forum somewhere re' TurfCats? with Renault? engines using Ducellier ignition, with comments about some place here in US that furnished some Ducellier parts...
Found one undated note in my file re' Cont'l "R" (Renault) engines in Turfcats using Ducellier, that ignition parts then available thru northernpowerproducrs.com, that Don Bossert at that firm used to be the contact at midamericapower.om re' Cont'l/Renaul/Ducellier tbefote it shut down.
If still there, and still handling Ducellier, if no parts they may know of replacement or workaround...
Ducellier seems to frighten people, too...
 

AngrySailor

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If all else fails is there a convenient place you could mount two puck magnets 180* apart on the flywheel/balancer to trigger an MPU? Use that to trigger a standard automotive ignition module? Some ignition modules even have a timing curve build in.
 

Greg Shipley

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I think I am going to try to make the kit that converts the older style of this distributor that had points to hall effect electronic ignition. you can search ebay for a 3DUC4U1 kit to see what it is. I will have to take the distributor apart and make sure there is room for the sensor provided. keep the suggestions coming though, it is not together and running yet.
 

dkamp

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It's an inline four? Easy... Get two double-ended coils, two trigger modules from whatever common '80's ignition system is on your local auto-store shelf, and mount two prox sensors 180 degrees apart, mount trigger target on crank accordingly.

good trigger module is the EST-HEI (small cap, two connectors on front (2 and 3 pins, respectively) and two trigger coil pins on back... used in GM marine and industrial engines around '91-95...) they have integral electronic advance. Now, since you're triggering only half the frequency of a four cylinder, so if the original electronic curve started advance at 1100rpm, then you'd not see it 'till 2200rpm.

Another way to do it, is to get a CDI kit for a model aircraft or small engine, and fit that to trigger wheel... they're often available with double-ended coils, and without advance, and they're often programmed to whatever (or no) advance curve. That'd do the trick.

You COULD run it with no advance. Forklifts, due to parasitic load of hydraulics, frequently idle faster... say... 1000rpm... particularly when engine oil is cold. Dropping it down to automotive levels (like... 550rpm) is often too slow to operate the mast, and not enough to keep it from stalling in the cold. If no advance is suitable, then a PAIR of Chrysler electronic boxes (from a mid'70's New Yorker, or Volare, or RAM van... it's a squarish metal box about twice the size of a deck of cards, with a funky 5-pin connector on the outside...
 

s100

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Some very interesting and innovative solutions here for how to escalate the war you are having with transistors. But those suggestions miss an important point. Whenever you get into a war with transistors the transistors win every doggone time. So why not make life easy for yourself and try to retrofit some distributor with real, honest to goodness POINTS to the machine and the war will be over before it ever begins.
 

Greg Shipley

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thanks for the ideas guys. I will get the distributor apart and look it over so I can figure out what i have for room and go from there, I will keep the thread updated as I progress. thanks again for the ideas.

---------- Post added at 08:11:15 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:51:30 AM ----------

on the back to points topic, isn't the lobes on the shaft for the points machined into the shaft? or is it a ring as well?
 

s100

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I was thinking to remove your distributor and use it to find one that is as close as possible to yours in size and configuration, then do whatever you have to do to make it fit your engine. Depending on what you come up with this could involve quite a bit of work but to all intents and purposes this is a lifetime fix, especially if you sock away a couple of sets of points and caps/ rotors.
 

Mike Hole

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03/23/2019
Take a look at pertronix ignition. They make kits to do conversions.
Their website www.pertronix.com
I've installed several of their systems in the last 10 years or so and had no troubles.

Mike
 

mmcdonald

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04/13/2017
Sorry I haven't put my 2 cents in since earlier. I spent a few minutes looking at this. I think one of the "DU/LE/141/142" type ignitor kits would work in your distributor but it would take a little examination to figure out which one. The main issue with installing an ignitor in a non listed application is finding a magnet sleeve to fit. There is typically room to mount the pickup even if it's not super easy. Once you have found a kit with the right magnet sleeve and figured where to mount the pickup then replacing it in the future will be relatively easy(assuming it is still in production the next time you need one). Aside from that I found this

http://www.123ignition.nl/product.phtml?id=64

Although not optimal in my eyes this is one dealer in US

http://123ignitionusa.com/peugeot/

We are a Pertronix WD but I have no affiliation with the other company and only post trying to be helpful. Good luck.
 

Electricben

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Hi Guys, do have over 30 yrs of experience with the French Ducellier, SEV, RB and Paris Rhone ignition distributors.
Still have an interesting stock of new parts.
I do live in the Netherlands, Europe, but can send parts all over the world by post.
Send pics as a pm to me and i will contact you!

Electricben:O
 
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