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Lister L 5hp @450rpm Central West NSW Newbie

Benno

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Hi fellow Smokstakers,
Firstly, let me introduce myself. My name is Benno and I reside on a sleepy little property not far from Dubbo central NSW. I am 39 and over the past 12 months I have taken quite an interest in vintage stationary engines.
In that time I have purchased 3 Listers - a 6hp CS Diesel, 3.5hp AK Junior and last week a 5hp L series. I truly enjoy the simplicity and remarkable engineering of these engines. The reason for the interest in Lister engines is they are common and quite cheap and I grew up around shearing sheds and large properties for most of my earlier years.
For me, all my work bringing these (or trying) to life is a pure solo effort. My mates would rather tinker with their cars, and nobody else around here seems to interested. So, that leads me to joining the Smostak forum. Initially I was very hesitant, as I do not prefer social media, but Smokstak usually comes up when I am searching for a part or I am looking for advice on google.
OK , now that I have that out of the way, the reason I have started this thread is I need help with my latest purchase the Lister 5hp L. So calling all Lister guru's.....
Long story short. It's an older restoration and an ex-rally/show machine, been painted all pretty in green, on transport with cooling tank, and really looks the part.The main issue is that she's tired. Very tired. Compression is non existant. When I got her home, I checked valves and seats hoping it was a stuck valve or dirty seat, but no, so the cylinder was removed and it was found to have excessively worn rings. I wasn't expecting a 5.5" bore, I thought it would of been the same as the CS 6 at 4.5". Cylinder and piston are great.
Worn rings, gee this will be an easy fix....:O
5 days of searching, contacting Lister parts suppliers here down under and UK- no luck.
Rob at old timer engines (a fantastic guy to deal with) suggested this site and an older contact that I tried - no luck and possibly no longer available.
So, is there anybody at all that has or knows where I could locate a set - I am willing to pay good money. Alternatively I may need to get these made from a manufacturer but I will require the exact ring and cylinder specifications in order to have these made in which I can't find anywhere, and I don't have accurate enough tooling yet to measure myself.
Thankyou all who have taken the time to read this and with any luck someone, somewhere may be able to help me bring another engine back to life.
 

vs ss

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Re: Lister L 5hp @450rpm Central West NSW newbie

Hi mate, welcome aboard. I’m the same with social media this been pretty much one of the main sites I visit.

If you don’t mind a bit of a wait, I use ottos gas engine works or ottos ring spacers ( same place) in the us. Dave is good but due to work load you might have to send a second message. If you have a set of verniers, just measure the diameter, width and radial depth and shoot Dave a message. He will then make or supply a set for you and he has only ever charged me $5 a ring plus post. There are some other places over your way but you might have to wait for someone who is more familiar with that side of the country.

Cheers, mike.
 
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Famous Fitter

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Re: Lister L 5hp @450rpm Central West NSW newbie

Hi Benno,

Welcome , Mike just beat me to it with the Otto contact.

There are many like minded people in your area, I am sure if you look up the local clubs you may find people with similar interests !!!

Be sure to stay in contact With Rob as you never know what he will find, he has helped me out heaps with all sorts of bits and pieces (and engines).

I’m of similar age to you and am not too keen on the social media side of things but this kind of forum is not too in your face, and I quite enjoy the fact that people are generally more helpful given a bit of time to reply.

Good luck with your projects

Cheers Justin
 

Ray Freeman

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Re: Lister L 5hp @450rpm Central West NSW newbie

Providing the bore measures ok its an easy machining job to make the rings if you have access to a lathe or know a machinist. Heaps of info on the net. I have made them for all my restorations and for many others with good results.
 

ozfarm

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Re: Lister L 5hp @450rpm Central West NSW newbie

I got my rings for the Lister J and D off GS burling
 

typak

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Re: Lister L 5hp @450rpm Central West NSW newbie

Go to the Smokstak 'Sponsors' page on this forum for the piston rings your looking for,
Starbolt Engine Supplies or Hit And Miss Enterprises will have them.
 

Winchester

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Re: Lister L 5hp @450rpm Central West NSW newbie

Providing the bore measures ok its an easy machining job to make the rings if you have access to a lathe or know a machinist. Heaps of info on the net. I have made them for all my restorations and for many others with good results.
I agree Ray ......I picked up some discarded truck cylinder liners ,also have a selection of smaller diam CI for Villiers and the like.
 

Scotty 2

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Re: Lister L 5hp @450rpm Central West NSW newbie

Hello Benno.
You have some fine engines there.

First of all........
I’m of similar age to you
Cheers Justin
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: Gees you've had a hard life then. Just kidding :O

Try Don Reid at Vintage Engine Supplies. 07 3200 5382
Did you try the Lister bloke at Tamworth?

I always thought the standard size of the L piston was 5 1/2 inches and the stroke was also 5 1/2 inches

Any pictures of the mighty Listers Benno

Cheers Scott
 
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typak

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Re: Lister L 5hp @450rpm Central West NSW newbie

Unfortunately the piston rings sold in Australia now for vintage engines are in the main of very poor quality, I would get them from the US, also usually at a lower cost than the local offerings.
 

Benno

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Re: Lister L 5hp @450rpm Central West NSW newbie

Thankyou all for the great help. At least I now have a few leads and somewhere to start.
I'd prefer to buy/get manufactured local rather than abroad, but I guess availability will be the decider on that one.
As I mentioned earlier, I am very new to this and now I realise that I should equip myself with the appropriate tools...I've just bought a 2T engine hoist, block & tackle, some lifting slings to help move these things around. A set of verniers are on the way so I can get those rings measured.
Rob from Old timer engines is a valuable man especially with my CS.
Scotty, you mentioned a guy from Tamworth? I can't say I have heard of him. Tamworth is about 3 hours from me, so quite conveinent if I need large parts.
Heres a couple of photos, the CS currently has the head removed as it was severely pitted around the exhaust valve so she keeps blowing head gaskets, the little Junior is a little ripper, and the 5hp L is the newest addition , just got its cylinder off atm while I sort the rings out.
I prefer the engines original unpainted, as I like the "working clothes" look, so the junior and CS will stay as they are, and eventually I will take the L to a few fairs once I have things in order.
 

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Scotty 2

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Re: Lister L 5hp @450rpm Central West NSW newbie

Motorbike.....what motorbike?? I didn't see a motorbike did I? Yeah I did :D

In Tamworth try Brian Wells on 6760 8276

I like the original finish on your engines. You can't remake that.
And thanks for the pictures.

Cheers Scott
 

cobbadog

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Re: Lister L 5hp @450rpm Central West NSW newbie

Welcome Benno,
You are about to or already have been bitten by the bug so start making more room for more engines.
Can I make a suggestion if you are not doing it already. In one of your pics you have a single sling under the engine. Please use 2 slings as this will stabilize the lift and no tipping over.
You have a nice selection of toys already and hopefully you can have them all running very soon.
Cheers Cobba
 

Benno

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Re: Lister L 5hp @450rpm Central West NSW newbie

G,day Cobba, nice to meet another fellow New South Welshman from the site:wave:
Yeah the bug bit me a couple of years ago when I helped my firewood buddy repair an old side valve 9hp briggs that is still in use today on a sawbench!
Since then I have never looked back....
Re the sling - The little junior that you see was just pulled forward off the side of the shed so I could fire it up last weekend on that thick rubber mat, and I only lifted it a couple of inches of the ground on my engine hoist. I have wondered about the safest way to lift these - especially onto a high ute or such. Is it true that you shouldn't lift just using the flywheels? I normally use that one sling (2T) underneath as you see and stabilise with a rope through both flywheels back onto the lifting hook if she needs to go high.
I would certainly hate to see one of these drop from any height:eek:
 

Scotty 2

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Re: Lister L 5hp @450rpm Central West NSW newbie

Is it true that you shouldn't lift just using the flywheels?
Yes. True. Many a crank has been bent by lifting by the flywheels.

So.....what's the story with the motorcycle Benno? :O

Cheers Scott
 

mihit

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Re: Lister L 5hp @450rpm Central West NSW newbie

Providing the bore measures ok its an easy machining job to make the rings if you have access to a lathe or know a machinist. Heaps of info on the net. I have made them for all my restorations and for many others with good results.
Yes this. A bit of CI pipe on the lathe, and you're away. If you can't do it yourself it's probably a "2 box" (of beers) job depending how close the pipe size is to bore/piston and so how much material is being removed.
 

Benno

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Re: Lister L 5hp @450rpm Central West NSW newbie

Yes this. A bit of CI pipe on the lathe, and you're away. If you can't do it yourself it's probably a "2 box" (of beers) job depending how close the pipe size is to bore/piston and so how much material is being removed.
I ain't no machinest, let alone posess the skills to manufacture such parts. I certainly wish I could though , as I can only imagine what cool stuff I could make.......
If anybody here would like to make these for me to save me making calls and emailing....be my guest. I'll pay 3 cartons:D
I am in negotion now with a munufacturer from UK that specialises in making piston rings and is familiar with the Listers engines. Hopefully pommy steel is still ad good as what it was 80 years ago!
 

Benno

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This is probably getting off thread.....:shrug:

Scotty this is for you.
1940's something Royal Enfield RE125 aka "flying flea".
I've had this girl for years and is one of the last remaining vintage bikes I own as I sold the rest a few years ago. I've done a full mechanical rebuild, and have the original seat tucked away because like the bike, she's gettin very fragile.

Runs & rides, heaps of fun....good old smokey 2 stroke...:D
 

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cobbadog

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I would be sourcing them locally. A couple of places mentioned earlier should be able supply.
Love the bike too. I rode one from Bathurst to Rockley once in the middle of Winter. Went straight to the pub to thaw out, as you do.
 

Scotty 2

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Hello Benno
Thanks for the other pictures and brief description of your motorcycle.
Mate. Now I see the old firefighting cart. You gotta get some back drops to stop nosy old farts, like me, seeing what you have :D

Cheers Scott
PS: I'd be surprised if Don or Brian didn't have your rings.
 
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