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Single cylinder 2 stroke marine engine possible ID

Scotty 2

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Hello all
I came across a little marine engine the other day on my way back to Warwick. It was stuck away in rack in the back of a shed which was hard to get to. On first appearance I thought it was a Chapman Pup as it had the rounded barrel general styling like a Pup but it had the bread loaf magneto stuck out the end of the crankshaft on the opposite side to the flywheel. It was red and it looked original paint. I could not turn the engine around to see details from the off side. All I could see was the magneto (on left) barrel with carbi with fuel bowl and then flywheel on the right). I could feel that it was not seized. It was small. I reckon I could lift it off the shelf into the back of the old Pajero if push came to shove. :D
I couldn't see any tags but there's nothing to say there are no tags on the side I could not see.
Anyone have any guesses as to what it is?
Why did I leave my phone in the car and didn't take a camera on the trip? The shed in question was a fair way away from the car.....bugger it.

Cheers Scott
 

klanger57

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Hard to say without a photo. There were few a manufacturers as described.
Might be worth a return trip. With a camera of course.��
Kev
 

Scotty 2

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There were few a manufacturers as described.
Might be worth a return trip. With a camera of course.��
Kev
Hello all.
Cobba....mate....A brick phone doesn't fit in your shorts pocket. Besides, I'm a farmer. My @r$e is hanging out of all my shorts and I had to cut the pockets out to wipe the tears away when we got a vets bill.

I do enjoy a bit or research so I've been looking. So far it could be a Chapman Pup Export model or Model A; or a Hall. I don't think it's a Hall as I cannot remember the starting gismo...but I could have just not seen it, not remembered it or forgot about it. So, so far it looks like a Chapman Pup model A. But we'll see.

When I was looking, it was a bit like asking me what colour the gob stopper was after standing in the middle of the lolly shop. Simply too much to see, too much to want and way too much to take in in one sitting.

I do have to do a return trip. I need to pick it up. Funnily enough the trailer and old Pajero were both chockered when I was driving through. I was flat out putting a lawn edger on let alone a couple of engines. The great thing about a return trip is I'll hear some more stories. I had a ball on the last visit listening to the stories :D

Cheers Scott
 

Scotty 2

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Hello all
Thanks for all the input. I have to say information from Eric, that's available on the net, led me to Chapman Pup or May. And now there's a Penguin in the mix.
I cannot remember an exhaust like the Chapman's have. Just remember....I was a kid in a lolly shop. Just too much to take in in one sitting.
I should be going past again on Sunday......

Any more guesses as to what small single cylinder 2 stroke marine engine with a magneto drive straight off the end of the crankshaft that looks kinda like a Chapman could be?
The carbi on the one I found is different to the Chapmans. About all I can remember is it has a tickler on the carbi bowl. Not very helpful am I? :(
Other single cylinder 2 stroke marine engine that may fit the bill...."The Hornet"?

Cheers Scott
 

Scotty 2

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Hello Kev
I don't think it's a Record but, then again, I could be well wrong. The reason I say I don't think it's a record is I cannot remember the makers tag on the front. I cannot remember any makers plate at all. I'm also pretty sure the magneto mount was cast. But Record cannot be ruled out. We'll find out what it is hopefully tomorrow.

I do this sort of thing quite consistently. Find something a little unusual in the wild and I have to go back to pick it up because the trailer or old Pajero is chockered. In the meantime I forget exact details of what I've found. Kid in a lolly shop :D
Cheers Scott
 

Scotty 2

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I came across a little marine engine the other day on my way back to Warwick. It was stuck away in rack in the back of a shed which was hard to get to. On first appearance I thought it was a Chapman Pup as it had the rounded barrel general styling like a Pup but it had the bread loaf magneto stuck out the end of the crankshaft on the opposite side to the flywheel. It was red and it looked original paint. I could not turn the engine around to see details from the off side. All I could see was the magneto (on left) barrel with carbi with fuel bowl and then flywheel on the right). I could feel that it was not seized. It was small. I reckon I could lift it off the shelf into the back of the old Pajero if push came to shove. :D
I couldn't see any tags but there's nothing to say there are no tags on the side I could not see.
Anyone have any guesses as to what it is?
Hello all.
I went back today and I discovered something. I discovered I'm an idiot....plain and simple. I seem to turn into a little kid looking in a window full of lollies where looking at engines is concerned, especially where lots of engines are sitting around staring at me all saying....take me you dumb @r$e. As I keep saying.....kid in a lolly shop.

So this is what I asked you good people about. A red single cylinder 2 stroke marine engine with magneto out the end of the crankshaft.
Would you believe that when I got back the engine had turned into a green 4 stroke engine (that may not be marine) with the magneto out the side? Idiot!!!!!
At least I got a few things right. It was a single cylinder engine with no tag and a magneto. Idiot!!!!
So here is what I got. Any ideas?
It has some interesting features like no dip stick that I could find (probably is one, just not seen it seeing I'm an idiot) and the timing gears.
The magneto mount appears to be home made. But again....I'm an idiot so it could be anything.

It seems to be in great nick inside and I think I found something which would cause a bit of a concern. The valve timing is out by a tooth (you can possibly see the timing marks in the last picture).

Cheers Scott (the idiot!!!!!)









 

vs ss

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Don’t worry Scotty, as the saying goes “shit happens”. Im pretty certain a lot of us have got overwhelmed in a situation like that before. I can’t help you out on make but it’s a nice little score, looks like a technico Maggie?
Cheers, mike.
 

Scotty 2

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looks like a technico Maggie?
Cheers, mike.
Yep. Sure is. And it's a good one. Coil is OK. Good eye there young fella.
I had a bit of a think about it last night and something else dawned on me. There's no governor.

Cheers Scott
 

Nathan Woodruff

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I could be wrong but your little engine Scott looks a lot like one a mate has that is direct coupled to a generator and uses the generator output to electronically govern the engine. I could be wrong but just a thought. I can't remember the make of my mates.
 
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