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Sparta Economy ID

kelden

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I just bought I believe a horse and a half Sparta,not sure. Looks like my economy except the oiler is behind the water tank and has a one bar Webster mag. No tag on it,but complete otherwise. any help please.
Thanks, Kelden
 

kelden

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Just bought this Economy with no tag,otherwise complete. Looks like my one and half econ except oiler is behind the water cooler and has a single bar Webster. Any advise will help.
Thanks. Kelden
 

Tom Cwach

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10/18/2019
Re: sparta econ ID

Need picture. D series had no tag. Serial number on end of crankshaft. Open top water hopper.
 

Kirk Taylor

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Re: sparta econ ID

Just bought this Economy with no tag,otherwise complete. Looks like my one and half econ except oiler is behind the water cooler and has a single bar Webster. Any advise will help.
Thanks. Kelden
Sounds like a model "E". A photo would confirm that. What model is your other Economy?
 

Kevin Weis

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01/13/2019
Re: sparta econ ID

Kelden,

I'm not a Sparta expert but the Webster mags didn't come on the Economy's until after Hercules took over late in 1913-14. So that probably isn't a Sparta. Others can weigh in as I said I'm not an expert. You'll probably find you answer though otherwise looking through the Sparta threads.

Kevin
 

kelden

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Re: sparta econ ID

my other one is a model E, 1923 Rounded corners on water hopper and oiler tube thru
water hopper. This one has more sharp corners, also oiler behind hopper with a one bar Webster.
Thanks for any help.

---------- Post added at 07:56:28 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:54:34 AM ----------

Thanks, I will check.
 

Kirk Taylor

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Re: sparta econ ID

my other one is a model E, 1923 Rounded corners on water hopper and oiler tube thru
water hopper. This one has more sharp corners, also oiler behind hopper with a one bar Webster.
Thanks for any help.

---------- Post added at 07:56:28 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:54:34 AM ----------

Thanks, I will check.
The earlier "E" engines are as you describe. I don't know exactly when the oiler tube was moved, but it was late in the "E" engine production. With a date of 1923, I am surprised your other engine isn't tagged as an "F".
 

Andrew Mackey

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05/14/2017
Take a close look at the ends of the crankshaft. On the early engines, the S/N was stamped into the crank. I has a 1913 Hercules, and it was as you described except that it has a single magnet Webster Tripolar on it. S/N started 51---
 

Dave Nielsen

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02/07/2018
If it is a Sparta it will have the Lunkenheimer mixer on it. The 1hp, 1 1/2hp Sparta's, D's, and early E's had a elongated water hopper opening. Not the standard square opening as on the later Economy's. A picture would help. The early 1hp Sparta's had the governor in the cam gear and not the standard fly ball governor.
 

Kirk Taylor

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I just bought I believe a horse and a half Sparta,not sure. Looks like my economy except the oiler is behind the water tank and has a one bar Webster mag. No tag on it,but complete otherwise. any help please.
Thanks, Kelden
If you go here:
http://www.herculesengines.com/hercules/econ_pics.html
and scroll down to the middle of the page, you will see several photos of a typical model "E" Economy. Further down the page is a model "F" engine which I am guessing looks like your "other engine". Near the top of the page are photos of Sparta and "D" engines. They are quite distinctive.
 

Joel Mosley

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11/16/2019
Re: sparta econ ID

my other one is a model E, 1923 Rounded corners on water hopper and oiler tube thru
water hopper. This one has more sharp corners, also oiler behind hopper with a one bar Webster.
Thanks for any help.

---------- Post added at 07:56:28 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:54:34 AM ----------

Thanks, I will check.
Maybe your 1923 is a Hercules and not an Economy with rounded corners. Are you able to post pictures of both engines so we can help you out?

Joel
 
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