Trading a Newer Truck for an Older One

JeffK

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I had a 2002 silverado 1500 ext cab 4x4 that i loved with 235000 miles that the frame, brake and fuel lines rusted out on and made the truck unreliable. I traded it for a 2012 same style truck. 14 months later I still am not in love with the truck or the style of it. Its just not the same a my 2002. I am looking at a 2006 same style body almost as the 2002 with the same options like tow package 3.42 axle for my towing needs for $16000 with 78000 miles
I sell my 2012 for $ 18,000 with 67,000 miles on it and wind up with a 2006 thats paid off with low miles :shrug:
Both the 2012 and the 2006 are rust free on the frames
the 2006 has the 5.3 with no cylinder deactavation and the 4 speed automatic
a simple trouble free design:shrug:
 

Wayne 440

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Re: trading a newer truck for an older one

To me, approximately 1999 to 2006 was when pickup trucks reached the ideal - before that they lack capability, afterwards they are over complicated by various emission control schemes, un-needed gadgets etc. Enjoy your new, old truck.
 

JeffK

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Re: trading a newer truck for an older one

The 06 is resale value on a dealers lot and the 012 is the trade in value at a dealer.
A friend at work had to get a new camshaft on his 010 silverado due to the cylinder deacitvation solenoid going bad.
 

Wayne 440

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Re: trading a newer truck for an older one

...as far as capability, my 88 f250 can do anything, except turn a tight circle.
I too have an F250- mine is an 87, 4x4, with 460/t-19 transmission. It is a good truck for what it is, and served me well for many years. But it was eating me alive in fuel costs. Someday I may put a Cummins in it.
 

slip knot

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Re: trading a newer truck for an older one

I've never been a big fan of buying newer vehicles but keeping the old ones on the road is becoming a bigger issue. Finding quality aftermarket parts is becoming a PITA.

I replaced the ball joints in my 98 dodge several yrs ago. truck had 100K miles on it. Now at @5yrs and 35-40K they need replacing again. None of the local parts houses keep much inventory on hand so most everything has to be ordered so plan on being down a day or so till the parts come in.

I've owned my daily driver for 20yrs and really hate to get rid of it because I know its problem areas, but those problem areas get bigger everyday.

And I'm really liking the looks of new super dutys.:D
 

Motormowers

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Re: trading a newer truck for an older one

All these new cars and trucks have way too much garbage on them to go wrong and get expensive plus they take away from the old school feel of driving a vehicle. Im still running my 1984 Mazda diesel and wont give it up until theres nothing left of it even though most parts are impossible to find now.
 

uglyblue66

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I am glad I checked this thread. I had no knowledge of the cylinder shut off thingys and that is the era of trucks that would be in the range I could afford.

I will be the next 1 to say, trucks don't drive like trucks anymore.You loose the feeling of how the weight is affecting the braking and such till it is to late.
 

Turbo

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Re: trading a newer truck for an older one

I have thought about this too. 4 years ago I needed to retire my 1994 F-150 and started looking for a newer truck. I have always owned Ford so naturally that is what I was looking for. I test drove a couple and wasn't impressed. Especially when I opened the hood and saw the eco-boost engine with the twin turbos and all the garbage. $$$$$$$ So I test drove a 2009 silverado and really liked it. When I open the hood I see a V-8 engine that I can still work on if I need to. The only down side is the cylinder cutout garbage. I have had issues with it losing oil pressure at the sender because of a plugged oil screen going to the cutout solenoid. Scared the heck out of me going down the road and seeing no oil pressure!!! I was told by a very good chevy guy to use good oil and change 3-5000 miles to avoid problems with the plastic lifter guides too. My next truck might be older if I can find one not rusted out with low miles. The new chevy silverado body style is dog ugly IMO. New F-150's look sharper but still too much crap to go wrong that I don't have the equipment to repair. All this so called technology is making it more frustrating and stressful IMO.:O
 

Vanman

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Re: trading a newer truck for an older one

I have a '91 Toyota, 4 cylinder, 5 speed standard and it has been a fantastic vehicle. Of course it doesn't have the capability of a full sized. But that hasn't stopped me from loading it down and just driving extra carefully. I really wish they had put the rear axle about two feet further back. It's very difficult, usually impossible, to load it with good weight distribution.
 

dependable

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Re: trading a newer truck for an older one

Most of the trucks I use for business and local driving are 84-86 1.25 ton ex military Chevys. The 6.2 Diesel is not a power house, but they get at least twice the mileage of the same truck with a small block gas motor.

There are still a lot of these around with low miles, and often low rust, if you know what auctions to look for. I've got 7 of them, parts are never an issue, and they are very easy to work on.

My road truck is a 97 Dodge 2500 with a 5.9 Cummins and a 5 speed. I'll do whatever repairs it takes to keep this on road.
 

J Ware

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I have 2 trucks, a 99 Ford Ranger with 356,000 miles which is my to work vechicle, the 4.0 litre V6 runs trouble free,doesn't burn any oil just leaks it. I also have a 08 F350 with a V10.
I like this truck very much but some of the bullcrap that the millenniums need to drive are just jot needed by me, but I bought it used so I put up with it. My dad bought a F350 new in 97 and that trucks rear spring pack is twice as tall as this truck, but the manufacturer is looking for better ride.
Seen an article in our local news paper that new truck buyers want more frills, so that the average working man can't even afford a truck, 50, 60,000 for a new truck is ridiculous, and if you seen what the parts, and how these vechicles are built you wouldn't buy a new vechicle today. And we have our government to thank for all this crap on our cars and trucks mandating the company's to obtain gas mileage standards, and in doing so they're designed the vehicles to last just past their warranty.
 

Ken Majeski

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Re: trading a newer truck for an older one

I don't drive too much in the winter so I picked a Jeep grand Cherokee 4 WD for a winter beater.

For the summer I have a couple of the second generation Dodge Cummins 12 valves I picked up in New Mexico and Las Vegas. The 96 2500 4 WD one has 206,000 miles and will go many more, The 95 3500 Dually has only 180,000. That one pulled my 30 HP Case steam tractor and camper quite a few miles this summer.

You can find some Nice trucks down South but be prepared to pay more but they are worth it :) You may have to put on a dash cover and some paint but that's no Big Deal.
 

Charley K

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I have several friends who drive the 95-99 Dodge diesels, 12 and 24 valve Cummins. Injector and lift pump problems on the 12 valve and electronic injector pump problems on the 96-99. The Cummins gets great fuel mileage, just have to be aware of the fuel delivery problems, very expensive to replace. The other main problem is the automatic transmissions, they are known to be good for around 200,000 thousand. A rebuilt transmission with converter is an easy $5,000. I would have owned one of these if I had not stumbled onto these problems. I like the looks and performance but anything I found had high mileage a real good chance of some high dollar problems. One other issue is the seat belts fail to extend. There is a module backordered from Dodge for my son in law's 99 Dodge diesel with no estimated time for arrival, without the module the seatbelts will not extend. Been about a year now. There is a way to modify so they will work on UTUBE. I really wanted one of these but could not pull the trigger. One other problem, the blocks with the 53 casting number are prone to crack
 
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Ken Majeski

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Re: trading a newer truck for an older one

The 24 valve starting in mid 98 is the one with the lift pump problems which can ruin the VP 44 injection pump if ran too long with low fuel pressure. Never heard of any injector problems with the 12 valve. I've had 4 of them and still have 2 and the paint never has been cracked on any of the injector lines.

If you want injector problems get a newer common rail system with 25,000 + pounds pressure. The GM Duramax comes to mind :D
 

Nathan K.

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Re: trading a newer truck for an older one

There is a kit for a warning light to let you know when the lift pump goes on the 24valve to save the main pump!(knew a guy that put one on AFTER doing the main pump!). The ~1996's cummins seemed to get the best milage but the front four wheel drive axles are weaker(went to ball joints and axle shift) than the pre 1994's till 2006(put in grease-able ball joints!). We have had good luck with our 1993's with one showing 480,000+KM(one set of injector tips, one pump plunger spring and seals) other with 380,000+KM I think still original, Both have had a few lift pumps but they are cheap and easy to replace. All pump and injector life has gone down with the low sulfur diesel but we have found running aircooled 2cycle oil at 1liter per 100 gallons make things work and last on all engines
Good luck.
 

Casemaker

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Whatever you do..dont buy a 2004 chev or gmc that year was the begining of lots of new gizmos in the electrical system...fraught with all kinds of recalls
 

uglyblue66

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I am hoping I didn't screw up last thursday. I drove home a 2004 Dodge 1500 with the 345hp Hemi engine.
Hand crank windows,manual locks,no cruise control,:( but has tilt wheel,center armrest and tow package. It is a no frills truck, rubber floor, appliance white with argent silver wheels.I did want green or blue or something but 88,000 miles on a 13 year old truck and it looks literally new.New Bridgestones to.. Only thing I have noticed is once in a while a slight noise from what I think is the alternator but it is right on top of the engine so if it is a problem,it can be fixed. 16 spark plugs :eek: 4 of them look to be a bit difficult to get to.
Plenty of power and the truck is very quite inside while driving. It honestly drives as good to me as the Cadillac did that I traded in on it. after trade in I paid 7800 cash. It is a bit above blue book but the truck is so nice,I am happy with it. Only real recall problem I saw about it was a airsack on the passenger side. I am the only airbag that normally rides in what I drive so that aint a problem for me. Best I can tell,most items on the truck look like I can service them like the driveshaft,fluids,plugs,and so forth. I would need to study or get help with electronics I am sure. But since there is no "climate control" or some frill of that kind it should last me a long time.
 

J.B. Castagnos

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If you have a GM with the variable displacement you can have it deleted or buy a plug in device that over rides it. The main troubles I see on these engines is lifters sticking down, causing a misfire, and camshaft roller failure. The cam rollers fail on the conventional lifters as often as the vari lifters, I don't think that's the root of the problem. The vari lifters are like a conventional lifter with a hydraulic chamber above them. When the four cylinders are cut out the oil is bled from the chamber and the lifter plunges like a shock absorber. Sometimes they stick down, on the LS style engines you have to remove the head to change a lifter. If I had a truck past the 100K warranty I would disable the vari displacement.
 

oldtractors

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I would keep the 12. Sounds like you would lose a lot of money on the trade. The low mile 06 will still need all new brake lines, probably wheel bearings, and depending on how fancy the trim is, will need new seats, heaters in the seats, TPS sensors, and various other electronic items probably don't work.
 

JeffK

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I did keep my 2012. I like it but I really loved my 2002. Time marches on for us and our trucks
 
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